SIEMENS DX CONTINUES LAYOFF SCHEDULE

Siemens DX is far from ending its employee layoff schedule and it's rumored most sites will once again be hit before end of 2012.
USA-Sacramento was just hit and we in the UK were told pending layoffs will start here by next week.
The madness continues.

Siemens is rapidly becoming

Siemens is rapidly becoming the epitome of the old saying about 'actions speak louder than words'. They have been promising success and progress for five years now and their actions have led to one disaster after another. They promise increased efficiency and promised to lay off many employees to achieve that goal. So far this year, it's been more talk than action. How long are Siemens shareholders expected to hang on and stay with a company that can't seem to follow through with any of its promises, at least in DX. From a strictly investment point of view, those layoffs need to happen and they need to happen now. Bain Capital understood this concept very well which is why they made a big profit from their brief ownership of Dade. Hard to figure out why Siemens can't follow the same hardnosed, all-American recipe for success.

"Word is that the job cuts

"Word is that the job cuts this year will be even deeper than last year."

You can say this again year after year. It means nothing.

Word is that the job cuts

Word is that the job cuts this year will be even deeper than last year.
The new sales alignment has been met with doubt both from reps and customers.Same old unreliable technology. Changing the sales rep should really help sales.
The ship appears to be sinking faster than even they expected.

"Siemens has said it aims to

"Siemens has said it aims to cut cost, boost productivity and raise efficiency, but hasn't provided details to date. The company's annual management conference is scheduled for October."
FOX NEWS--END QUOTE

We should be hearing whatever layoff plans are scheduled and currently in place no later than October/early November.
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Still no official employee memo from DX regarding the 1400 layoffs other than what Siemens Healthcare reported to FOX NEWS.
I'd consider this the calm before the storm.

Just noticed somebody flagged

Just noticed somebody flagged this thread. WTF?

Siemens DX truly is full of sick people.

It has been the same song

It has been the same song sung here for years. This is just cheap therapy for R&D!

Working here in Atlanta , all

Working here in Atlanta , all I can say about Siemens is AMF. I'm glad I will be working for Sanmina now. Maybe there is some sanity coming.

Siemens is huge. Healthcare

Siemens is huge. Healthcare is much bigger than just DX. If you consider the redundancy that still exists in DX, plus the residual dead wood, and then add in potential 'cost savings' in the rest of Healthcare, 1400 or even 2000 people does not seem to be much. It will be very bad for the individuals who get laid off, but probably won't affect Siemens' overall capabilities much at all. Having more or fewer people in DX affects the bottom line, of course, but will have almost zero affect on thngs like new products, dealing with their FDA problems, fixing what's broken with marketing, sales, and service. Siemens' DX issue is not the quantity of employees as much as it is the quality of employees and their leadership. German companies are not run from the bottom and Siemens DX seems to be almost devoid of talent at the top. How can one possibly lead if they don't know where they are going and have no clue as to how to get there even if they did know?

Found it. FOX BUSINESS

Found it.
FOX BUSINESS NEWS
"...According to the newspaper, discussions on job cuts and other measures have been underway since July.
...We see growing reluctance among our customers regarding capital expenditures and stronger economic headwinds, Chief Executive Peter Loescher said in July.
...Siemens has said it aims to cut cost, boost productivity and raise efficiency.
...Siemens new plan will be based on the program developed for its Healtchare Unit, The plan for the Healthcare Unit foresees 1,400 job cuts by 2013"

It doesn't look like the current 1400 cuts are related to the 1200 from last year since this was decided last month.
I just don't see how they can get rid of so many people and stay productive.

Relax, not everything is

Relax, not everything is about LA, consider it's already dead. We have Sacramento and Berkeley in west coast too.

"Wrong! The west coast is

"Wrong! The west coast is beautiful, and much more comfortable than the east one."

Simply an opinion. It is not based on facts or any real data, but is a personal preference. And who amongst us really cares. Nice, but boring weather is a plus, I guess, but what is so beautiful and comfortable about LA traffic, LA smog, not to mention earthquakes, wildfires, mudslides, and the valley-girl, airhead, everyone-is-a-star mentality. Like everywhere else, it has its pluses and minuses.

It's not a surprising statement though, given all of the other 'we are better than you are' stuff coming out of some of the LA people. Even if LA and their people are superior, which is highly unlikely, it won't be the first time that the better team lost. We all feel bad for the innocents there, but many of us can't wait to see the smiles and smirks wiped off the faces of the few arrogant LaLaLand people who post here.

Wrong! The west coast is

Wrong! The west coast is beautiful, and much more comfortable than the east one.

Good, time to clean house.

Good, time to clean house. Bye bye west coast.

FOX Business News

FOX Business News 8/21/2012

Siemens Healthcare announces an additional 1400 layoffs scheduled through end of 2012.

BTW, couldn't massive FDA

BTW, couldn't massive FDA issues lead to massive layoffs and possible shutdowns?

Well, I guess I just got

Well, I guess I just got whipped! Now I know how DX feels... You guys are a hostile bunch here, feeling just a wee bit stressed? I'll go back to my happier life now. Why don't you join me?

"In an effort to get back on

"In an effort to get back on topic - Siemens Healthcare Corp level is on WARPATH to make sure FDA will not put a target on their back. Issues at DX are a big part of this!"

The topic is "SIEMENS DX CONTINUES LAYOFF SCHEDULE" and thus has never been off topic as the people posting here are contributing to the factors that have/could/will lead to layoffs.

Besides, DPC, Dade and Bayer all had the same agenda with regards to the FDA anyway - make sure they can't whip us. That's just part of any diagnostics business leadership. As far as the FDA are concerned, the target's on everyone's back all the time.

So in summary, your point has less merit than all the other posts on this thread. Good day

In an effort to get back on

In an effort to get back on topic - Siemens Healthcare Corp level is on WARPATH to make sure FDA will not put a target on their back. Issues at DX are a big part of this!

Whilst this is true, it still

Whilst this is true, it still doesn't stop the handover of device and consumable production transfer to China - if investment in new technologies isn't happening (which it largely isn't), then the sustaining rout is training up new, bright, fresh, cheaper people to develop and construct the same tecnology for lower cost and therefore penetrating the large untapped market of China is inevitable. In fact, it's happening already.

The technology, requirements, protocols, algorithms, techniques, studies, BOMs, code, tests, issues are all documentd (or at least they should be) - there's no reason other than experience for the current shape of DX to stay where it is now. And that said, some with experience have managed to persist long after their sell by dates - so even the transfer won't go smoothly unless problems are solved first.

The answer to the question of what to do about the massively complicated, ever growing mess, that's still managing to make keep afloat, which will surely take another negative hit if we try to change any part of it... is a very hard question to answer indeed.

"Tell me exactly how complex

"Tell me exactly how complex DX business is?"

Why put a question mark after a request?

If you don't know how complex DX, consider this. What other industry makes a product that has the capability to use around 100 different consumables, each with its own unique problems? Cars run on just about anyone's gasoline and car makers don't make the gasoline itself. Computers run of most software which the computer makers don't provide (yes, there are PCs and Apples, but that's a diversion from the issue). Think about all of the various regulatory bodies that affect DX. More than most industries, I suspect. Think about reliability, accuracy and precision requirements that don't exist in other industries. When you car fails to start, you call a tow truck and get a taxi for a day or two. When a DX product fails you either get no result and might have to wait for emergency treatment or, worse, get the wrong result and the wrong treatment. The list could go on for a long time, but I think you should get the idea.

1+1? Hardly.

"For now, though, I don't see

"For now, though, I don't see them being able to handle a complex business like DX."

Tell me exactly how complex DX business is? 1+1 will always be complex to monkeys, while linear Algebra is like 1+1 to Issac Newton. I don't care if Chinese can handle DX or not, but simply call DX business complex is offensive to other great industries.

You sound like some puppet

You sound like some puppet middle manager spouting the party line."

Nice try, but you get a zero on the test. I don't work for Siemens; never have and never would.

You and your colleagues simply don't get it. Yes, Siemens management is terrible. Yes, Siemens management knows nothing about diagnostics. And, yes, every time you work against management you are working against yourself as well. You want management to fail to prove your point; what will your fate be when they fail? A grin on your face for being right and not a penny in your pocket. And you call ME the puppet? HA !!!!!

This is exactly right go to Flanders and see the bozos ignorant that are running Siemens ... good point

Possibly, but I doubt it for

Possibly, but I doubt it for the time being. Alot, if not most, of the Chinese economy is either manufacturing for foreign companies or making products for the Chinese market. I don't think that Chinese companies making Chinese products are exporting very much right now. For now, though, I don't see them being able to handle a complex business like DX.

The chinese? They are rich

The chinese? They are rich and dumb.

I know nothing about Osram or

I know nothing about Osram or its profitability. Siemens may want to unload DX. The big question is: who in their right mind would buy it now?

"Is it possible that my

"Is it possible that my protagonist is Siemens management LA?"

Lets just assume that this is correct(it is not, by the way), at least this person has an honorable agenda. What is your's for trashing the very people and company you work for? And doing it with such furvor, and compulsiveness. Things have not gone well in many aspects when we look back on the transition, but why make it worse? We would all like to see more non-agenda driven posts here. A good test of a persons character, is how she/ he reacts to situations in which that person is uncomfortable. You are obviously un-comfortable my friend, but only people with poor character want to take others down with them. Siemens DX may indeed become history for all of us, but did the fighters at the Alamo turn on their fellow soldiers when things were really bad?

Osram has about one hundred

Osram has about one hundred years of history with Siemens and they both are in Germania. It shouldn't come to surprise if Osram joins Siemens again in a few years. You may call it a true strategic move.

DX, on the other hand, is like the step son of your second cousin - sort of family if he has some added-value. Otherwise we better prepare to sing "saving the orphan".

For those of you who have

For those of you who have been following my long tomes and the antagonistic response, I have one possibility for you to consider.

Is it possible that my protagonist is Siemens management LA? Who else would condemn someone who urges those remaining to search for jobs? Who else would continue to maintain that LA workers are vastly superior when it is pretty clear from what I see posted here that almost all of the real talent is long gone? In both cases the best answer would be someone from management who wants to keep people there until they are no longer needed by Siemens and who wants them to believe that they are essential to Siemens and that rumors of a total site shutdown are just based on fear and outside agitators.

It's an anonymous site and you can all draw your own conclusions.

The rumor turned out to be

The rumor turned out to be true Siemens AG will spin off its lighting unit Osram in 2013. If you use Osram as benchmark, then Siemens should spin off DX to the moon. So don't be surprised that a big bang is waiting for all of us in the next few years.

I will now add jerk to the

I will now add jerk to the list of your colorful vocabulary. Hey, if you don't want to look for a new job, don't. Stay there to the bitter end unless you seriously believe that LA won't close until you are ready to retire or if you have no worries about getting another job very quickly. It's your life and, quite frankly, given your style, I could care less whatever you do. I can't rememeber anyone here recommend that people in LA refrain from looking for a new job, but I've been wrong before on details. I'm not discussing the wisdom of what Siemens has done with LA, I am only discussing what I and many others see as an inevitable total shutdown. Why do you take statements like that as evil or crazy or of the other words you've chosen to describe me? I think it's pretty neutral myself.

I will continue to comment on postings here when appropriate. However, I will no longer continue to respond directly to your insults even when I sometimes think you are simply shooting the messenger who is telling you what your management in LA is not telling you at your town hall meetings.

PS: It's now 25,001 posts for me, and only 24,999 for you. You need two more just to get even !!

The Chinese seem to get more

The Chinese seem to get more done for less because they don't have the number of jerks like this guy gumming up the works. They just do their jobs and if they dislike their co-worker they simply ignor them. They would not write 25,000 postings about how their co-workers should look for another job.

When China are running DX,

When China are running DX, threads like this will not be tolerated ;-)

Dude, I'm new here but even I

Dude, I'm new here but even I can tell you this; relax, get a life and don't spend so much time posting here. What is it with you and the La site anyway?

So now its common sense vs.

So now its common sense vs. insanity?

To repeat. If you don't like my postings, don't read them. This site is free, it takes effort to get here and access threads, and effort to read. It's up to each of us to decide what to read and what is not worth our time. I don't know the the 'we' are to which you refer, so my comments apply to not just you (singular), but to everyone to decide how to spend their time and what they want to read.

Common sense told us that no

Common sense told us that no sane person would have the time or interest to write long paragraphs after long paragraphs about a dead company he or she not working for.

If you're as innocent and caring as you claimed, why not show your big heart to the American people, join either Romney or Obama to make this country a better place, and more important, give all of us at DX a good rest.

Thank you for your rant and

Thank you for your rant and for your insulting comments. I'm not the one posting about the 4 hour latte breaks in LA. I only comment upon the postings. And if you think about it, those posts do you and the honor of DPC far more damage than anything I have said here. And if you don't like what I post, just don't read it or respond to it.

But as you said, you are mad and angry, and you seem to need a scapegoat or punching bag.

At your service, sir or madam.

you are history anyway

you are history anyway

We don't really care who you

We don't really care who you are or what your position is, nor do we care about your research and brilliant theories. What we care about is one mental sicko making all of us still left at LA looking like bad employees. We are mad and even angry, but we are not the kind of people you describe, and your constant rantings about how none of us have any special talents, and that we need to move on with are careers is disturbing. We know you are one of us and if you hate so many of us we just want you to disappear. Go rag about the competition and forget about the co-workers you hate so much. As for the others in DX sick of hearing from this guy (girl?, not!), we understand and can only envy you for not having one of your own trying to destroy your reputations like this slimeball is trying to do to us. We at LA I am sure are much the same as the rest of you; we work hard, do the best we can in this situation and really do not hate the rest of you any more than you dislike us. Do us a favor and please give this guy's comments a pass.

"This is the mentally ill

"This is the mentally ill fellow who thinks we cannot figure out that he works at the LA site. "

You have no idea how wrong you are about my working in LA. Don't even live in the area, nor would I want to. Nice place to visit, but .....

You don't like my theories ... fine. Show me where data and facts contradict the theories. Where I come from, where I work or worked is really irrelevant, isn't it? If you provide additional facts that contradict the theory, then like any theory, it will be modified to cover all of the facts. Theories take facts into account and enable one to make predictions. When the predictions work out, the theory is further confirmed. When the predictions do not work out, modify the theory. Isn't this the basis for scientific work?

Your answer is that I must be mentally ill because I stick with a theory borne out by facts. I have criticized those who have posted that DPC people were somehow superior scientists. I have acknowledged their excellence, but maintain that equally good scientists work at other companies as well. DPC never had the corner on all the great scientists in the diagnostics industry. This is about as personal as I have gotten. Those who don't like my theories, and have yet to provide evidence they are basically wrong (not little details that don't really change the theory such as whether Bain or their successors sold Dade-Behring which is irellevant to the idea that whoever owned Dade-Behring may have realized that Vista was not going to be what was promised and saw a bleak enough future to get out while the getting was good), have only been able to resort to personal attacks on my mental state of being.

Nice try, but if you think I'm wrong, then prove it with facts and not nonsensical attacks. Diversions such as guessing who I am and where I work or worked may be fun and satisfy you, but don't affect me in the least. If you want to believe I still work in LA, fine. Waste your time. I am just dying to hear how your investigation turns out and who you finally decide who in LA I am. It is a futile an exercise and trying to get Siemens to do anything right. Would you like some hints? If so, ask nicely please. I prefer honey to vinegar.

I love watching you geeks

I love watching you geeks fight,like watching an episode of the BBT

This is the mentally ill

This is the mentally ill fellow who thinks we cannot figure out that he works at the LA site. Playing devil's advocate just seems to thrill some people with mental issues. I say with nearly 100% confidence that he is a Siemens employee at the LA site for reasons the previous posters have indicated, and it is so obvious to all of us reading these post's; it simply makes no sense that someone not deeply conected to the LA site is so motivated to just go on endlessly about the LA site and his so much treasured "theories", and the constant reminders that he "does not work there". No, I am not a PI, but anyone with any nose for investigation/ analysis can clearly see this guys defensive posture about "not being at the LA site". For those of you disturbed by his rantings about getting out and finding a better career, be assured that he himself is the most gutless about leaving----that is where the sickness comes in and the Devil's Advocate personality takes over. He is advocating something he himself is scared to death of; leaving behind the income security that the powers at Siemens have control over. It must be terrifiying.

Short but still pointless.

Short but still pointless. Isn't there someone over at Roche who's leg you could go hump?

Actually he just gave himself

Actually he just gave himself away. ONLY a Siemens middle manager waste of a desk COULD go on and on self justifying like that without actually making any point... a born 20 year Siemens man if ever I met one, your busted!

Can one person go on and on

Can one person go on and on and on, actually forever on, about LA and Siemens DX not even working here?

Like McCain said to Obama: No, you can't.

"You sound like some puppet

"You sound like some puppet middle manager spouting the party line."

Nice try, but you get a zero on the test. I don't work for Siemens; never have and never would.

You and your colleagues simply don't get it. Yes, Siemens management is terrible. Yes, Siemens management knows nothing about diagnostics. And, yes, every time you work against management you are working against yourself as well. You want management to fail to prove your point; what will your fate be when they fail? A grin on your face for being right and not a penny in your pocket. And you call ME the puppet? HA !!!!!

I find it ashame that so many people here reject outside objective analysis and opinion when it doesn't fit in with their preconceived notions. I have no stake in Siemens future other than whatever Siemens stock my mutual fund managers choose to buy. Most of my analysis has been based on things that have been posted here and an ability to put myself into the minds of both. Believe it or not, the original Siemens plan made sense from a business point of view. The plan included some bitter medicine for many, in particular, those in LA. I have sympathized with the LA people and, from day 1, tried to tell them that they were doomed, but the tight knit, parochial group could simply not believe it could happen to them. I suggested getting out as soon as possible, and from what I can see here, it appears that most of the real talent at DPC is long gone. Was any of this fair? Of course not. I take no pleasure in the suffering that Siemens has brought to it's employees, but being on the outside, I can be objective about it and recognize that this is how business works nowadays. It's like predicting an hurricane. No one wants to be in the path of one, but most people appreciate hurricane warnings. There are always some who won't evacuate in an hurricane situation because they don't believe they can really be harmed. Nonetheless, you see very few people trying to shoot weather forecasters whether their forecast is mild or stormy. Why is it that you feel the necessity to attack me for my predictions, most of which have come true although much slower than I had predicted due to Siemens' management incompetance. Why am I attacked for trying to explain the business mentality in which employees are no more valued than the desks and chairs they have in their offices? Don't want explanations, advice, analysis, or opinions? It's cool with me; I'm not affected. Do I have all the facts? Obviously, not since I am not on the inside and must rely on postings here and personal communications with people I know at various Siemens facilities and who do not include any Siemens management people. Show me facts, show me data, show me where I am wrong and I modify my analysis as would any good scientist or logical person. I have explained why Siemens bought 3 companies and their plans for each; I have explained why each of the companies was sold (remember, it takes both a willing buyer and a willing seller to complete a transaction). As far as I can see, my analysis and predictions have been far more accurate than most. I don't say this for my own ego, which is already huge enough (smirk), but I say this because I sincerely wish that people associated with Siemens could simply understand reality a bit better than many naive people who post here. I've been called every name in the book here and it just rolls off of me (the worst accusations imply that I am a spokesman for Siemens management which is about the most insulting thing you could say to anyone, but since I know I don't work there, I just laugh it off). If it makes you happy, keep it up, but nothing negative you can say about me here will make a difference in your life other than a brief moment of relieving your frustrations.

Thanks to all of you who have attacked me for just trying to help. If you read the bulk of my posts, I think you will find them fair and objective for the most part, but if all you can do is attack me, I suspect that you have attitude problems at work that don't help your employer and don't help you.

The billing was a minor

The billing was a minor inconvenience, customer services were a disaster - they took a customers order but often got distracted by the real business, chatting on Facebook. Meanwhile they forgot to enter the order on the system. Guess how delighted the customer was when he ran dry and no kits arrived. And then they couldn't be bothered to enter the right codes so the customer got kits, just for the wrong machine!

Meanwhile they spent the time between coffees congratulating each other on the odd occasion they took an order right without a customer going crazy. They exploited the internal reward system to give each other free pats on the back and bonuses while customers pulled their hair out. It took 2 years to fix it. Did heads roll? no they got promoted!!! go figure.........

After the purchase of the

After the purchase of the three companies by Siemens, they could not even accurately bill the customers. Customers were not going to pay for invoices if they were not correct. That went on for what over a year. Then Siemens did not charge any freight, so there goes free money during that time period. I could never figure out why they expected customers to pay for invoices when they were not correct. Even a savvy consumer would not do that. I realize it is common sense but they had none of that.

'Squabbling killing the

'Squabbling killing the business? you know nothing.. its being killed by vast overheads of pointless people (like you) and business systems, practices and operating models killing profit at one end. And crap outdated products that no one wants and no one can sell the other end.'

Truer words have not been spoken.

Just add - all levels of management contending for which can make the most short sighted decisions.

Just follow the playbook

"You know what made DPC,

"You know what made DPC, Bayer, and Dade great once? TEAMWORK ... something which is now totally hidden by all of the internal squabbling. Did it ever occur to the squabblers that they are helping Siemens to kill the business?"

You sound like some puppet middle manager spouting the party line.

Squabbling killing the business? you know nothing.. its being killed by vast overheads of pointless people (like you) and business systems, practices and operating models killing profit at one end. And crap outdated products that no one wants and no one can sell the other end.

"Teamwork" with all the will in the world will achieve nothing at DX, even the best seeds sown on desert will die. The cupboard is bare got it?

Personally I think its too late, only new thing is Aptio and that is a decade too late, new POC, too late... Siemens, looking back wondering where did the last 5 years go? nothings happened apart from the drip..drip...drip of more customers elswhere.

"And yes, Dade had gone

"And yes, Dade had gone public LONG before Siemens bought the firm. Bain was in no way involved in the $7B buy-out, contrary to what the numbnuts at Forbes may be spewing from their pieholes."

Doesn't really matter whether Bain sold Dade-Behring to Siemens directly or spun it off to a group of investors who sold it later. The fact is that the sellers all all three companies had very good reason to sell, primarily because their futures were quite cloudy. Bottom line is that the sellers were much smarter than the buyer and were able to fool Siemens with promises of great new systems for the future which have yet to materialize. The endless posts here about which of the three companies are completely meaningless now. The only thing the three components have in common is that they gave Siemens very little in the way of a short term future since none of them had new systems capable of being successful in the field, most of the really talented people who had worked there were already gone, and the need to put down the other guy just to make themselves feel better.

You know what made DPC, Bayer, and Dade great once? TEAMWORK ... something which is now totally hidden by all of the internal squabbling. Did it ever occur to the squabblers that they are helping Siemens to kill the business?

Those who are busy rocking the boat are too busy to be helping to row it and there is no 'U' in 'Teamwork'. Carry on people.

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