The truth? You can't handle the truth. Truth is we don't need two pilot plants. Truth is we don't need three SC sites. Truth is we don't need redundant developmental sites.

If you are still in PharmSci and have not heard anything by now then you are not going to hear anything until the last week in March. LTs and TLs have met for final ranking, shuffling and sorting and once reorganizations are announced they are being given very little time to reduce headcount afterwards. It has to be done before end of first quarter. Hence the very slow process by some lines within PharmSci.

In addition, all lines will go back to having greater than five reports in order to be a first line manager. If you are a supervisor with one or two reports, a line employee whose function has been eliminated or absorbed into another group, or a line with no manager, then be prepared to look for another position quickly.

For the record, the Angel of Death is efficient and has met all the deadlines at every site that AD has ever managed, reorganized or shut down.

""not too many details, just a lot of discussion on how to pool people: compared ratings from the past 2 years, skill sets, overall ability to progress scientifically in the future...many good people will be lost, it was hard to make those decisions. many of us are not happy about who will be cut"

Is this really how it is done at Pfizer? In most companies it is entirely up to the supervisors. Are you lucky or unlucky?"

They go through this process but it is basically a charade. Ultimately managers rewrite the ratings to suit themselves. It is almost entirely political as it is anywhere.

"not too many details, just a lot of discussion on how to pool people: compared ratings from the past 2 years, skill sets, overall ability to progress scientifically in the future...many good people will be lost, it was hard to make those decisions. many of us are not happy about who will be cut"

Is this really how it is done at Pfizer? In most companies it is entirely up to the supervisors. Are you lucky or unlucky?

not too many details, just a lot of discussion on how to pool people: compared ratings from the past 2 years, skill sets, overall ability to progress scientifically in the future...many good people will be lost, it was hard to make those decisions. many of us are not happy about who will be cut

age over 50, white, male, "not an a$$ kisser", independent thinker, higher salary, .....
That was and is the criteria!

Maybe I will get a package this time as well. I fit 4 out of 5. High salary being marginal at best. I bet more women will get the axe this time than the last time. I believe only a few were let go in Pharm Sci.

"Are you a troll, HR detective or an idiot? This is a rumor mill and any information posted here should be construed as such. If that information should be correct however, it would be a violation of company policy to publicly post the policy of how positions are eliminated and would be ethically unfair to displaced colleagues in the coming weeks."

Well, last ATS, Pfizer itself was very public about saying it could rid of "dead wood - low performers". Want to be fair to those displaced, then let's hear the criteria used, like: age over 50, white, male, "not an a$$ kisser", independent thinker, higher salary, .....

That was and is the criteria!

Are you a troll, HR detective or an idiot? This is a rumor mill and any information posted here should be construed as such. If that information should be correct however, it would be a violation of company policy to publicly post the policy of how positions are eliminated and would be ethically unfair to displaced colleagues in the coming weeks.

how many pharmSci total are in groton? ~ 700??

details please

groton started pooling this week and it was not pretty, the meeting was very rough and stressful on us.

It is 10-20% dependent on which pool you are in. UK people already in pools with skills assessments starting next week.

"10 - 20 % reductions based on skills"

Is this weather forecast? Why is the range so huge? Just say nobody knows, including all the top brass.

We're going to with PGM or will outsource

Yeah, good luck with that.

The problem for AC is that essentially any monkey fresh from school can do their job. It's really a technician level job, so expect lots of cuts and people from the REAL analytical science groups to have to step up and do some sample churning....

-so funny - don't you know all of you in PharmaSci are considered monkeys - thats why you aren't under R&D anymore - you are a "platform service" Get it? And pretty soon - BUs aren't going to have to deal with you incompetent idiots in PharmSci. We're going to with PGM or will outsource.

"you'll be asked to wear several "hats"

great, turn everyone into a clown."

Would you like to buy some slightly used shoes?

Signed,

Jeffie "Clown Shoes" Kindler

"you'll be asked to wear several "hats"

great, turn everyone into a clown.

yes, we definitely need an offsite meeting. Let's try La Jolla in February, you'll see a lot of your Groton coworkers there visiting

"word is that you'll be able to count Wyeth relo's to Groton using just your fingers and toes. High criteria and reluctence to move there"

Actual number of offers is so small it is just a token for a promise made to "keep the best ?@#%"

"why can't you just hire consultants or contractors to do your work for you so you can focus on more important things like meetings and powerpoint?"

hmmm, not bad ideas, but convince me by putting together some slides and calling a 2 day brain storm summit down in florida or somehting...

word is that you'll be able to count Wyeth relo's to Groton using just your fingers and toes. High criteria and reluctence to move there

why can't you just hire consultants or contractors to do your work for you so you can focus on more important things like meetings and powerpoint?

look to see less specialization, especially in formulation type groups, you'll be asked to wear several "hats" and be versatile. Back to old school formulations, where you have to be able to do everything.

"Looks like probably waiting on people to reply to job offers may be holding things up."

Typically the "Buyer" company will offer positions to those employees from the "Bought Out" company that it desires to retain. It is unlikely that even 35% of people from other Wyeth sites offered positions will relocate to Groton.

Previous Pfizer Warner Lambert merger in a good economic climate with attractive relocation packages did not even yield better than 70% Ann Arbor transfers to Groton.

"waiting on people to reply to job offers may be holding things up."
That number is so small it shouldn't affect the big picture. 30 at most out of 1800, that's nothing.

How about if you pissed off your managers brown nose pet

10 - 20 % reductions based on skills and whether or not you pissed a manager almighty off

Maybe we will find out who is in or out of IG leadership team next week. In the next week or so after we find out the fate of the rest. Looking to see how much management will be effected compared to grunts. Looks like probably waiting on people to reply to job offers may be holding things up.

Hey Groton folks, what's the latest PharmSci stuff?

"If you can't master brown nosing, you have no future"

This is so true at PFE, as you can see from many of the postings. Is is just me, or is this the bullet train to disaster. If all the managers are brown nosed (which they most definitely are) and they reward this behavior in their direct reports, then all you really have are people telling each other how great they are and whatever management wants to hear regardless of truth. As a manager, I want to hear the truth (especially if I am messing up) so I can do what is best for my group and our bottom line and most definitely WHAT IS BEST FOR MY COMPANY, not just me. Maybe I am too "big picture." I guess I naively thought that science was the search for truth.

GPM is the only factor. If you can't master brown nosing, you have no future.

UK - 10-15% job cuts, like skill sets across departments in the same pool (analytical, formulation/process). 30 day consultation started March 2nd. Redundant by end of month. 2007 + 2008 GPM most relevant scores, 2009 taken into consideration. No auto selection / de-selection based on GPM only.

Yes -please get rid of "people managers". Basically worthless idiots who can't manage you because they have no clue anymore about what you do!

Replace People Managers with science focused Managers and less of them. Bring back the real pay for performance which applies all the way to the top. Get rid of all dumb CI crap and focus on science and make sure all the workers have all the tools needed to perform all tasks to get the products to market. Most important make some correct decisions for a change and not keep reinventing the wheel.

"Mmmm.....This is the kind of pathetic in-fighting that will cause Pfshizer to self-destruct.

This MatSci BS better take a severe beating, its such a HUGE waste of shareholder money and time, its all smoke and mirrors, what value do they really add? We'll see if they get it right this time, could be worse folks, you could be in Wyeth PR!"

Ha, just read these boards , infighting seems to be a core value, it actually sucks big time, but how do you stop it??

Everyone had meetings and we were told wait till April for status of jobs. Small amount of people effected today however. UK knows more than us is what we were told.

Mmmm.....This is the kind of pathetic in-fighting that will cause Pfshizer to self-destruct.

This MatSci BS better take a severe beating, its such a HUGE waste of shareholder money and time, its all smoke and mirrors, what value do they really add? We'll see if they get it right this time, could be worse folks, you could be in Wyeth PR!

Assume folks in Groton got their news today - or was it UK only?

Looks like next week is real announcement times for AD pharm sci line.

The problem for AC is that essentially any monkey fresh from school can do their job. It's really a technician level job, so expect lots of cuts and people from the REAL analytical science groups to have to step up and do some sample churning....

Your Joking, RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AC Managers are the best in the business. LH is a great leader. ARD should be so lucky.

This MatSci BS better take a severe beating, its such a HUGE waste of shareholder money and time, its all smoke and mirrors, what value do they really add? We'll see if they get it right this time, could be worse folks, you could be in Wyeth PR!

""Groton layoffs are next week."
really ? across the board? how many are they going to take from Pearl River?"

some already got offers, my GUESS, is about 30 total. thats the buzz around here, not many even want to go if offered, to risky and dont want to leave the NYC area.

"Groton layoffs are next week."
really ? across the board? how many are they going to take from Pearl River?

Hey Groton Pharm Sci folks, how is the new head of the new LifeCyle group? Is he a good guy to work for? Thanks for any insight.

M grades seem to be scurrying around a lot more recently so guess the time is nigh.

"Heard that analytical control will be cut 50% and LH is out."

what about formulations?, PcoE, PE, MSOP??

""If you have not got the RR offer and nod, get the CV ouut there because you are not going forward with Pfizer."

Where is this happening? St. Louis? North Carolina?"

The note sent out last week said NC folks were given offers to relo to Pearl River, awaiting the numbers to accept. Between now and end of March should be more clear. Although we all know these time lines are RARELY met. Pretty quite from STL, I guess its status quo there for now???

I can't wait to see the outcome of the layoffs to see what rumours were correct. I hope all the lower levels aren't the ones hit hard again. Time to see some real fat removed.

I'm with you - there are plenty of managers in AC that are nothing but fat and I'm waiting to see if the new leadership has figured it out.

I can't wait to see the outcome of the layoffs to see what rumours were correct. I hope all the lower levels aren't the ones hit hard again. Time to see some real fat removed.