You were always Rodney you plonker.

I can be your Rodney.

I am, are you still looking for a job?

So how many of you Delboys are now "milliunaires"?

Glad to see the back of this CUT THROAT company. War inside, office bi(t)ching back stabbing bunch of "above the rest" employees. Kharma has caught up with them!

I have no life and talk to myself on rumour mill? Hang on if that's a question I think I'll reply. Bored.

Oh dear, an idiot typing replies to his own posts. Nurse, the syringe.

You really missed the point mate, sarcasm is clearly beneath you. The 'do you have a job' was meant to be a playful dig at your huge brain. Reading between the lines I think I've worked out who you are though, you're.......a muppet. I'm enjoying the new job on the bin lorry though, thanks. Goodnight.

I claim nothing.

I suggest you calm down, and weigh up your options including, as ludicrous as it may seem, that you are not needed anymore, despite your success/scientific contributions of the past.

I hear you - and worry that you are so entrenched that you can't hear the sirens, or are refusing to accept that they'd 'ever get rid of me'

Been there, done that - and was one of the grafters/contributors that you infer that you are - with measures that actually meant something to the success of the business.

So your claiming to determine the measure of someone's scientific contribution from a few troll-like comments on this gossip forum, what a clever chap you are. Tell me I'm wrong, you will of course, but are you also claiming this spiteful and at times hateful gossip forum to be superior to any other. A measure is called for sir or madam, tsk.

As I said - drop the bitterness.

Proved my worth by gaining employment in the real world on my own merit, not some self-fulfilled prophecy.

Your comments smack of that whole jamboree I was glad to see the back of.

i wish you pair of numbnuts would shut the f@&% up and gain a measure of your own importance. Your rantings on this board achieve even less than your careers. The very tone of the messages and replies confirm to all of us that not only are you incapable of understanding what scientific research is, it also confirms that neither of you are capable of contributing to it. We are all tired of scientific-also-rans who have proven themselves incapable of competing on a level playing field so do us all a favour and take your pointless, cowardly 'me sir, me sir', intellects to where they belong. Twitter.

Drop the bitterness, and move on.
You've been let-down, as was I and thousands like us.

Go find the 'cheese'

Your right of course, the comment was biased and wrong. Let me guess, from your comment you have a job don't you? Damn those clever people with jobs.

You clearly show your ignorance here. Research doesn't stop after Discovery, strangely enough.

Contract Synthesis Organisation, let's get it right. Or Contract We'll Make Compounds For Your Research Organisation, CWMCFYO. I couldn't think of a snazzy acronym damn it and after all my years at Pfizer.

CRO? never understood why the R is in there - they never do research - just a few services.

Yuck. CROs are scientific filth.

. Remember Pfizer Sandwich started in old army barracks.

And what a good place it was to work in.

Only an observation. From over a thousand top scientists in their field only a tiny fraction had the conviction that they could offer something from the years of working in a high ranking company worth something without panicking and selling themselves short for a short term knee yerk position in a shitty CRO. Now that's really something to slag off isn't it. Good luck the brave ones. Remember Pfizer Sandwich started in old army barracks.

There is some pretty unpleasant stuff on here. Good luck to all the displaced. Whatever their choices. As for the company now - is it at war internally?

"As an ex-sandwich scientist (who unusually did work on a marketed drug) I have one regret from the redundancy process. I wish I had loaded up the file, screening data, project reports, structural data etc etc to post on wikileaks when the mood took me. Oh hold on I did! Got a higher paid job so not cross enough. Suggest all PF FTEs get this in the bag for when the day Rod comes for you. After all I understand you won't be getting the redundancy package I did."

Tw*t

Not kept pace with developments in sandwich - did anything come of the startups?

As an ex-sandwich scientist (who unusually did work on a marketed drug) I have one regret from the redundancy process. I wish I had loaded up the file, screening data, project reports, structural data etc etc to post on wikileaks when the mood took me. Oh hold on I did! Got a higher paid job so not cross enough. Suggest all PF FTEs get this in the bag for when the day Rod comes for you. After all I understand you won't be getting the redundancy package I did.

More than 10 years!

You are ex-Pfizer and need a consultant.

Do you:

1) Pick one with a proven track record over the last 5 or 10 years

or

2) Pick a new start up staffed by ex-Sandwich people who weren't good enough to keep the site open and haven't discovered anything in the last 10 years?

Consultants using their network to build a business? Surely not, who woulda thunk it? Would you hire a consultant you didn't know at all? Really?

All you lot, don't be so miserable about those people who get off their backsides and start a business in the PRIVATE sector. Most of you are trawling it in in 'tough' jobs in teaching or the NHS. Your Pfizer experience of moaning and entitlement will make you over qualified for the job.

So, didn't get the work for what they knew, but who?

Pfizer may be (almost) gone in Sandwich but the legacy lives on......

Cyclofluidic has three reasonably senior ex-Pfizer staff at the helm. Look a bit closer.

They must be doing something right. Why, only a few weeks ago, one of the new consultancies (Sandexis) signed a deal with Cyclofluidic.

This fact that Cyclofluidic is run by an ex-Sandwich Pfizerite is purely coincidental......

Gsk site went same way at dartford

"" Surely ex-Pfizer consultants should all be in great demand: telling everyone else what went wrong and what not to do.""

No, no money to be made here - everyone already knew Pfizer management were d*cks.

The world has changed a lot in the last 10 years

Why pay a consultant when you can either

1)Pay a large team of cheap educated people to find the solution
2)Piracy

Agreed. Now working for a CRO and have seen the light. Working for Pfizer was a farce and not nearly as good as I was led to believe.

As an ex-Pfizer’ite attempting to be a consultant, there is one very big issue…

Pfizer sold its employees the image that Pfizer was the best, most advanced and most knowledgeable pharm in the world. Pfizer employees liked this. It gave the employees the feeling that they had unique skills and knowledge that would be the envy of any other pharma company.

The reality is, Pfizer isn’t the most advanced and most knowledgeable pharm in the world. It is actually pretty second rate and so are many of the ex-Pfizer’ites and their supposed first rate knowledge and skills.

"Have you noticed that since Sandwich has closed that the mean spirited comments regarding Pfizer have basically all but disappeared. Perhaps just a coincidence?"

I noticed that, too! What is more of a coincidence is that the number of "mean spirited comments" diminished dramatically when the Research folks departed. This tends to suggest that those in Pharm. Sciences who remain at Sandwich are more focused and just want to get on with the job ...or is that yet another rumor?

After getting laid off in Ann Arbor, then doing a brief stint in Groton and getting hit again (victim of site favoritism), I always try to express my gratitude and love for this company on this forum that has taken so much away from our family. This company is run by short-sighted idiots who can't see past next quarter's financials. Morons they are, more like ass-clowns, especially the likes of former CEO Jeffie "Clown Shoes" Kindler. The leadership has no conscience or accountability - it just tells the BoD what it wants and the BoD approves without question. Pfizer resembles a legalized pyramid scheme that needs to be investigated by the SEC for inappropriate compensation to the leadership of the company. Why should these business idiots get golden parachutes for screwing up? If I did a poor job I'd get outright Pfired without a severance package, but these assclowns get rewarded for poor performance - they get $ millions and we just go with the flow and think "OK." It's not "OK" and something should be done about this. I went to the annual shareholder's meeting and couldn't even get to the microphone.

Sadly I know too well, Sandwich's closure and unemployment was MADE IN AMERICA. Don't ever let these bastards live down their poor decisions. They screwed up. Expose them for who they really are. NEVER GIVE UP.

From an unemployed YANK to an unemployed BRIT, Let's start another revolution and change the world together.

Have you noticed that since Sandwich has closed that the mean spirited comments regarding Pfizer have basically all but disappeared. Perhaps just a coincidence?

Exactly, make a lot of distance and progress with little input from internal FTEs who are too focussed on empire building.

Hiring a consultant is the managerial equivalent of punting the American Football; it means they cannot assess the situation for themselves and have given up!

Surely ex-Pfizer consultants should all be in great demand: telling everyone else what went wrong and what not to do.

High density of any business consultants is not a good thing, for employees. It doesn’t matter what your level is unless you’re above Director. This is just a fact, because their conclusion will always be cut, cu, cut.

The big pharma people need to consider CRO/CMO opportunities. The direction of all pharma companies activities. Big pharma does not want internal staff. Only external relationships and contracts that can be sliced. Keep risk and responsibilities outside of the company.

Stop thinking your d$%k is too big for this work. It is the future.

There is a rather brutal fact of life about redundency .... it doesn't apply to just the pharmaceutical industry or Pfizer Sandwich but any industry, trade or profession. One day you are an expert in your field, probably performing very well and the next day you are not required in your job role. You must accept this and both look and move forward. Probably be prepared to do something totally different but that can be exciting, challenging and stimulating. Looking back and still thinking you are an expert in some component of development is counterproductive and likely to breed negativity.
For many folks, consultancy is a delusional activity in which the "victim" is in denial and believe they can still do what they did before they were made redundent.
If you have promise as a consultant, you will already have an industry wide reputation and people will be knocking at your door on day one. If you hear no knocks, you have an uphill struggle ahead.
Also, consultant and contractor are different things - but both are highly expert in their fields.

i had the misfortune to work with most of these sandwich 'consultants'. Give me a break, I never met anyone remotely qualified to give informed, constructive input to any therapeutic project. Who do you think is going to consult you about anything? Small start-ups? You don't offer anything that could not be found in a Google search. At best, you have a superficial understanding of pharmacology, medicinal chemistry and drug discovery. At worst, you are all david whingepennys. As has been said a thousand times on biofind, those that were qualified and useful left sandwich a long time ago. Those that remained had no choice but to stay because what they offered was of no use. Hence, the fate of sandwich. I would seriously suggest that for the sake of your own mental health you rapidly gain a measure of your own ability and self worth and start again from scratch. Clearly that would mean developing a degree of humility that some of you may not have but you simply have no choice. Boots the Chemist are currently looking for counter staff in Canterbury and Folkstone so you would do well to apply. And before you dismiss this as beneath you, i would remind you that several senior phDs from Groton and Michigan are now working in retail to support their families. Hats off to them. Please, for the sake of patients, leave drug discovery to those who can contribute and please don't disturb or distract promising start-ups with "When I worked for Pfizer" anecdotes.

"I've been a consultant now for 3 months and haven't had any work at all."

If you are in your first three months consulting you should have been busy working to build up your business! Sometimes you deal with enquiries that seem to go nowhere (clients checking you out perhaps?)but how you deal with those is reflecting your quality and showcasing you and will lead to some projects.

Start worrying when you have no work after 12 months; give it up if you haven't taken off by 24 months.

Unless you get 'work' from your previous employer, it takes about 12 months to bring decent work in and make a living from consulting. The consultant choice is the toughest one, it is easier to move and join another company.

I've been a consultant now for 3 months and haven't had any work at all.

I have always been intrigued by the term 'consultant' and who it is applied to. My version of a consultant is someone who has a significant amount of expertise and can bring to the table some practical skills or advice on on how to proceed. This, seems to me to be something which might be worth paying for.

On the other hand, the world of business seems to be awash with management consultants, many of whom have never managed anything in their lives. They come straight out of college and become consultants. In Britain, many of these people are employed by the 'old boys' network which runs the financial sector, and has brought the country to its knees. In my opinion they do little other than bleed money out of the system.

In the case of Pharma consultants I would be asking about their record and I would want to know what they would do for me. Being naturally suspicious, I would want to check that they haven't made things up on their CV and that they actually have some skills. You have to ask whether consultancy was a career choice or whether it was forced on them because they couldn't get a job anywhere else.