Please post here any news about layoffs and leave the political scene on the other thread.
breath, Mary, breath, ho ho ho
all of you, if your all so good then why don't you leave!
because you are geeky losers
"Not strong enough to share the results with the average employee"
just closing the books now, too early to share dumb dumb
That is exactly my point. One year of good lucking results are nothing to brag about when you have 4-5 years of no significant income from anything new that you MIGHT develop.
It is basically like a typical New York Mets team that starts talking about a World Series after winning the opening game of the season. Lots of good feeling ... for a day .... until reality starts to set in.
I guess after 4-5 years of losses Siemens just set the bar so low of 2012 that, even their incompetant management couldn't find a way not to meet their target. The bonuses they paid this year are a reward to achieving mediocrity; the delay in raises in 2013 strongly suggests that Siemens is not expecting this coming year to be a good one.
We are, in effect, saying the same thing .... in different ways.
"Things will continue to be tenuous until new products are available and are actually selling well. "
Wake up and smell the fracking coffee!
What new products??
And even if there are any they would have to be at least three or
four years from introduction.
And even if they are the best thing since canned beer it will take another three to four years for them to start selling well.
You can only manipulate finance for so long.
Not strong enough to share the results with the average employee. Enough for bonuses in 2012 budget; not enough for full year pay raises in the 2013 budget.
Certainly nothing to be cocky about. Things will continue to be tenuous until new products are available and are actually selling well. Until then Siemens will just have to rely on manipulations by Finance.
just finished a strong qtr that follows a strong yr. suck on that!
Unemployment has been extended? What is it now, a year? Just curious.
OK, let me explain this as clearly as possible.
THE WAY TO GET PROMOTED IN SIEMENS IS TO MIRROR YOUR MANAGEMENT.
Enough time has gone by now that the "mirroring layers" go very deep. Deep enough now that those Siemens employees who post here are unable to integrate anything anymore.
As for the rest - most are likely working for Siemens competitors and kicking their a$$!
Are you really going to allow your competitors from Roche, Beckman (Danaher), and Abbott outperform you here?
Sure, why not. They outperform us with their product line and DX employee's have no reason to give a hoot anyway.
Did you check your paycheck yesterday? On average, DX employees lost $50-$70/ paycheck every two weeks. Not only are you making less than last year but probably expected to do more work.
At least that's what MR wants everyone to do.
On a brigher note, unemployment has been extended so "are you listening Siemens"..now would be a great time to announce Packages and layoffs.
My kids still can't believe we're all still working for these idiots.
I would expect much better from Siemens employees than from Siemens management. At least some of the employees know someting about DX; Siemens management has shown an unique lack of knowledge in this area as well as general incompetance in managing anything.
What do you expect from Siemens - they bought 3 companies and never integrated them. Why would you expect an integrated threads here?
The real problem is not simply another thread with a a similar title that has finally regressed to one conservative ranting to himself.
The real problem is the myriad of Siemens related threads including those interminable Deuce threads (which have mercifully gone inactive). Add them all up and you find at least 10 different threads related to Siemens DX. And even that is not the REAL problem.
The REAL real problem is that there are clearly more threads than actual news or even rumours. So let's get with it Siemenites (or is it Siemenonians?). Are you really going to allow your competitors from Roche, Beckman (Danaher), and Abbott outperform you here? Do you have any idea of how many customers let their 'buy' decisions be affected by the quality of the postings here? If nothing else, someone here should be complaining that MR did not include 'rumour mill improvement' as part of his 2012 objectives.
C'mon Siemens DX .... you can do it if you try.
I hate it when people start a new thread when there is one that already exists.
The "other" thread has virtually the same title, but is entirely a heated political thread which doesn't belong here at all.
What's going on at Brookfield and Flanders. People taking early retirement etc?
What's going on at brookfield and flanders?
I hate it when people start a new thread when there is one that alreaady exists.
Unemployment was once again extended.
Perfect time for "Package".
Can you hear us Siemens!
It's the new Siemens Lite ! Slim and trim and ready for battle. Siemens knows that hungry soldiers fight better.
Always fun to see a company putting on a good face whilst heading down the drain.
My question is why not siemens/osram. if they can't grow sales, at least do something for employees. it's a LIGHT show, for god sakes.
They did do something for the employee's. Siemens DX took away 6months of their merit raise for 2013. Between higher taxes, no raise till July and Cost of Living, they'll be making less than last year.
How's that for a LIGHT Show.
The diagnostics show will be up for sale soon, doubt anyone will want a badly run sham that needed sorting out 5 years ago when the mergers took place and nothing was done.
here's a more sensitive question about Siemens: last night my friend at Coco-Cola can get me the callaway gardens light show ticket at $7 vs $22 regular price, which saved my family over $60. because coke and the garden are "special partner".
My question is why not siemens/osram. if they can't grow sales, at least do something for employees. it's a LIGHT show, for god sakes.
So what's the future of Vista, Centaur and Immulite?
Only thing syngo could do for DX is increase costs and bring SW development to a grinding halt. Do not walk - RUN from this platform!
There's a word I haven't heard in a while!
A few years ago they gave us bottles of water with
the syngo logo. I had forgotten that this was
another hare brained plan to save the company.
Wow-these are sad and depressing stories-and at the heart of why Healthcare is 17% of the GDP. What an incredible waste of resouces. Those responsible should truly feel ashamed-but it is an emotion not possible in egoistic and narcisstic persons. The fault lies therefore in our system of choosing leaders.
So much for the "market" self-policing itself! What does that say about DX's competitors? They too must have had gross efficiencies or else DX would be long gone from Siemens by now...
I too have seen first hand the arrogance of Germans-and I work for the "star " Imaging side of Siemens. Do some research on "syngo " -looking at "bang for the buck " numbers. As long as the CT and MR divisions continue to dominate the market Imaging will continue to be a "star" and it will be able to absorb ineffiencies like syngo. But Healthcare is changing rapidly-and it will be hard for the Germans to adapt. GE could have a real advantage here-but they have their own "cultural " issues to deal with as well...
GW also refused to permit a breadboard stage which turned out to be a huge mistake. And between GW and WW, they put together a very dysfunctional project management team as well. Threw close to a billion dollars away on IMS and pretty much destroyed any clinical chemistry in Tarrytown and decimated the engineering department. What a horror show that was.
And all sheet metal on the IMS had to be riveted because that's the way Gerry did it in Germany to solve a completely different problem under totally different circumstances. Of course, it also kept a vendor for AGFA, where GW came from, in business, even though welding would have been better on all counts: easier; more design flexibility; stronger and more rigid; better appearance; and much cheaper!
Do you remember when GW told everyone that Americans didn't know how to make hinges and decided that the IMS hinges would have to come from Germany?
But as always happens, arrogance leads to a fall. I guess no one ever told GW that it was illegal to assault employees simply because you think that their work bench is a bit messy.
Hard to say who was worse though .. GW or HH, the male employee molester.
When Gerry Wagner introduced himself to T'Town he told us that he was there because German engineers and technologists were much superior to Americans. That's the German way to energize the troops.
"They might try changing their behavior instead of trying to find fault with everyone but themselves."
I'm sorry but this is not possible. The Germans know they are right. Perhaps a description of a conversation with one of them will help. Their idea of a discussion is:
I vill speak ..... und you vill listen!!
I think that sums up the Siemens DX experience pretty well.
"Doesn't matter if tests are replaced by competitors or not. Lost revenue is lost revenue, period. When the high cost, high volume tests that you have and think you have an advantage with start to disappear for whatever reason, it's a problem And Siemens has more than enough problems now without losing more business whether to competitors or not. "
Completely separate issue from what I was asking about.
I agree with you completely, but don't try to tell me that these tests are being replaced by competitors. They are not in any way, shape or form. The original post was wrong in it's premiss and I was commenting on that. The competitors all all losing the same revenue from the same tests. There are no replacement tests out there for Vit D and PSA and any others named.
Happy New Year, Los Angeles. What a triumph! See you all in 2014.
"The Germans who have occupied Tarrytown since 1989 do not believe in management by walking around. They do not believe it getting to know the employees and what they do. It is pretty much a straight up and down chain of command in which communication occurs only between adjacent levels."
No company will truly succeed without the help of employees. I am not sure who they are trying to kid, but they are kidding themselves. Without people/employees there would be no Siemens. It is time to come out of the 1940's and get in touch with the times. It is no longer WWI.
Instead of making changes at the lowers levels, why not try a different approach, one that values its employees and find out what is going on and I don't just mean Tarrytown. They might try changing their behavior instead of trying to find fault with everyone but themselves.
The Germans who have occupied Tarrytown since 1989 do not believe in management by walking around. They do not believe it getting to know the employees and what they do. It is pretty much a straight up and down chain of command in which communication occurs only between adjacent levels.
I guess it is hard to navigate the halls and cubicles of Tarrytown with all that goose-stepping.
Two words to say to MR - "undercover boss". You might actually learn something.
I haven't been in T'Town for many years (since IMS), but given the trade from one German company to another, I wouldn't expect much to have changes (at least for the better). The most hierarchical organization I've ever seen - you communicate with your boss, who talks to his boss (without you), and so on up the ladder, until the info goes down the ladder to deal with and then maybe a reply back to you. We ignored official channels a lot, because the higher-ups generally didn't understand and/or mangled what was actually said. The software people had their problems, but communication and feature creep weren't entirely their fault.
Siemens should be alot more concerned about how well their software people know and understand the requirements of a chemistry analyzer than their country of origin. Tarrytown has a long, long history of software development problems and project delays due to software not being delivered on time at major project milestones and not doing what it needs to do. The problem is not entirely the fault of the software group in terms of their technical competance; a good part of the problem has been the communication between the software group and its various customers (engineers, chemists, and customers, as determined by marketing).
There are very few "Americans" in the SW dept at Tarrytown.
I believe the original intent was to ask if any American citizens were replaaced by non-citizens.
Happy New Year!
Doesn't matter if tests are replaced by competitors or not. Lost revenue is lost revenue, period. When the high cost, high volume tests that you have and think you have an advantage with start to disappear for whatever reason, it's a problem And Siemens has more than enough problems now without losing more business whether to competitors or not.
Learn a bit about what fungibility means.
'' Any non-critical DX tests get dropped, and necessary tests Siemens provides are being replaced by lower cost ones from competitors.'
Hold your glory there buddy. The second part of the request was to name the rplacement tests from competitors.
Also those are large volume tests for just about everyone else, especially PSA.
I will repeat, as much as I hate siemens pap like this just muddies the water.
I can name two tests that are relatively high cost and of dubious medical value (at least when used for screen rather than for specific medical problems):
In the case of the former, the test has become even more contraversial in terms of what is done to the patient following a positive result and some expert groups are recommeneding that PSA no longer be used for screening.
In the case of Vitamin D, the test, while a popular 'fad' today, is generally not necessary for those who eat an healthful diet and/or take appropriate vitamin supplements. There is also some contraversy as to what the normal range should be, and when the definition of 'normal' is not clear, the clinical utility of any test becomes questionable.
I will leave it to someone else to come up with the third test rather than taking all of the glory for myself.
' Any non-critical DX tests get dropped, and necessary tests Siemens provides are being replaced by lower cost ones from competitors.'
Name three of those tests.
As much as I hate siemens, nonsense like this just muddies the water.
With more people being insured under ACA, the DX business should be looking good, at least in the US. Right now Siemens is in a mode of trying to limit the bleeding until their new system becomes available. Unfortunately, the fact that they have yet to consolidate to a single facility, at least for R&D, is greatly reducing any chance that their new system will be successful. Unless they can find ways to cut overhead quickly, Siemens DX will suffer a very slow death. Despite anything being said internally by management or any of their programs and visions, management has yet actually do anything to really change the downhill slide. The numbers from last year may have been rosy, but there is still little sign that the company is coming together and starting to move ahead cohesively as a team.
I have heard the same gloom and doom on this site for over 30 years!Unreal. You all a bunch of malcontents! Most people I know do not go to the rumor mill anymore. I can't help myself. Like looking at a train wreck.
The DX industry is heavily dependent upon government spending. Most governments are being forced to cut back. Any non-critical DX tests get dropped, and necessary tests Siemens provides are being replaced by lower cost ones from competitors. It's a dynamic being played out in other industries as well.
The diagnostic marketplace could care less about Siemens DX.
They went from #1 to #4(or lower)in less than 6years.
That basically says it all.
Their planned Agenda 2013 is a garage sale on platforms no one wants anyway.
Could they sell it off? No way.
What they should do is eliminate lackluster product lines and concentrate on the ones making money and have a future.
The company needs a serious consolidation and slimming.
Until that happens they'll contiue losing marketshare, customers and money.
It's a business dynamic problem and only a solid business dynamic plan will help them. Garage sales, old instrument lines and redundant sites are not the answer.
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