NEWS REGARDING SIEMENS LAYOFFS OCT 2012 - 2013

Please post here any news about layoffs and leave the political scene on the other thread.

There are now several

There are now several strongly suggestive signs that Siemens ultimately plans to shut Tarrytown down completely and transfer most functions to Delaware. It is not in the immediate future, but more of a long term plan. Who knows? Maybe they will do it before they finish up with LA since that closing seems to be taking forever and with no signs of ever finishing up.

Tarrytown workers are well advised to keep their eyes and ears open for additional signs that Siemens will eventually abandon their very expensive site. Your fellow employees will probably appreciate postings of any signs of this rumour being true.

How to tell that you are

How to tell that you are about to be laid off. Managing Out- Part 2 of 4. Let's say your past your mid 40s expiration date so you know that it's coming. The only question is when. One of the early clues is a practice called Managing Out. Basically, your manager becomes a spiteful 12 year old girl. It starts slow and escalates gradually. Your workload is increased and your time carefully tracked, but not your coworker's. There will be constant negative comments about what you wear, how you sit, walk, and speak, what you eat, how you breathe- anything observable. Any personal info you may have let slip will be brought up publicly and spun negative and God forbid you should ever stutter or misspeak. When your manager thinks they can get away with it there may be remarks about your race, religion, age, gender, education, and so on. They'll even go after your spouse and kids to try to get a rise out of you. Chances are good that your coworkers will join in when they smell the blood in the water.
The idea, of course, is to either pressure you until you quit or provoke you into an angry response that justifies a for cause firing. Why go to all this trouble? Simple. There is a huge financial incentive to fire you for a documentabled cause or to have you quit 'voluntarily' instead of laying you off- no severance pay, no unemployment, reduced exposure to actions after termination, etc.
Realize that all this is a game they are playing. Make it a game of chicken and make 'em pay. Stay calm, document everything (what was said, who said it, time, place, who else was there) and keep that record with you. Don't bother going to hr with it. Their function is to protect the company and going to them with a complaint will just accelerate it. You need to play for time to pay down debt and bulk up your savings. Your records can be useful if they decide to play hardball with severance, unused vacation time, giving you your final check and so on when you are let go. The longer they are at it the more rope they have given you to work with.

You are right when you say

You are right when you say that Siemens has yet to experience any success. I am well aware that whatever talent existed in terms of understanding the diagnostics business and what it takes to succeed in it is long gone. That is my entire point. Siemens won't find the talent from within. They will have to find it on the outside, either from other companies or from whatever they can find in terms of unemployed or retired experts. The last thing they should do, and the thing they are most likely to do, is to bring another 'expert' over from Germany to run diagnostics. Replacing what they have now won't bring them a coherent strategy, an overall plan that can actually be achieved (by people who have done so in the past), a product line strategy, the means to design, develop, and commercialize diagnostics systems (whether in house or contracted on the outside but managed carefully by inside people who know what they're doing. It takes setting up good manufacturing sites that won't have any FDA issues. And it takes people who have the ability to put together teams to get things done. Siemens has no such talent internally so the standard of shuffling the managers and VPs won't work.

"Positive experience and a

"Positive experience and a real track record do count and are essential to anything positive ever happening again at Siemens diagnostics."

To my knowledge nothing ever happened at Siemens DX that came anywhere close to being positive in the first place. So having it happening again doesn't make sense.
In seven years the company went from #1 to #4(or lower). Now that takes real talent. Whatever talent came with the aquisitions packed up and left years ago. Others were let go for whatever the reason.
So I wouldn't be holding my breathe for any pinnacle moments to come from this Siemens Division. The smartest move they can make is to slim down bigtime. Layoffs, site closures and unnecessary diagnostic platforms removed from the market. Then they can get serious and start damage control.

Getting rid of dead wood is

Getting rid of dead wood is always a good move. Bringing in new blood, likewise. But these moves alone won't do it for Siemens. What they need is a small group of people who have a track record of long term success in diagnostics and who know what it takes to be successful. Replacing dead wood with novices won't work. And the pity is that Siemens just doesn't seem to get it. Positive experience and a real track record do count and are essential to anything positive ever happening again at Siemens diagnostics.

It looks like Siemens is

It looks like Siemens is finally getting serious with downsizing DX to a more efficient and profitable size. Layoffs are already in-play across the board.
Currently LA is scheduled for around 60 layoffs thru 2014 but more are expected as their CrossPoint facility is also downsized. No complete shutdown is being talked about at this time.
Tarrytown has small sized department finally closing but nothing to the degree as LA. It's been rumored that we'll be expanding our presence within DX as well. A conservative effort is finally underway retiring "deadwood" and bringing in new blood.
It's something discussed when MR was here last time.
Definitely time for these changes to take place if we are to survive considering we are still losing out to our competition.
Roche has been blowing us out of the water every quarter. We need to make changes...and make them now.

Some companies actually do

Some companies actually do work. The are growing, productive and fun to work at. There may even be parts of Siemens like that, but not diagnostics. It hasn't worked since day 1 and there is no reason to believe that a spirit of teamwork among the three cultures that make up diagnostics will suddenly break out and no reason to believe that upper management will suddenly figure out what it takes to be successful in their specific business. And none of the high priced consulting firms they use can tell them how to do it either. They can only talk about general strategy, but not the day to day things that it will take to turn things around.

"In the case of LA, it won't matter much since there will be no selectivity. The entire LA diagnostic facility is slated for complete shutdown eventually."
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Been hearing this bout LA for years and years...and they're still there! Maybe only a handful...but they're still there.
Even with the RIA Division shutting down next year they will still be there at the CrossPoint Facility.
So "slated for complete shutdown eventually" must really mean "they'll still be there".
Those cost cutting DX initiatives must really be paying off.
Lets re-evaluate the situation 5 years from now.

Corporate life...slowly sucks

Corporate life...slowly sucks the soul out of everyone. Now I know why my relatives were farmers and doctors.

This sounds exactly like the

This sounds exactly like the CM playbook in Tarrytown. That's the exact process he used when he carried out the massive layoffs of engineers in Tarrytown, but under Bayer. It was part of the strategy of Bayer at the time to get the headcount down as part of their effort to sell off diagnostics (ultimately to Siemens). It was also Bayer's 'revenge' for the failure of Advia IMS, the disaster that was mostly the responsibility of Bayer management. It's a classic nasty management 101 tactic. And it has very little to do with age; it works against anyone. The only possible defense is to respond to the review in writing and demand that the review provide detailed specifics and a detailed plan for improvement, both of which are usually within HR guidelines. If nothing else, the defense can be used to get a somewhat better deal when you get your pre-determined pink slip. If nothing else, it does create questions about whether your employer fired you for cause or just laid you off for economic reasons. The difference in some states can affect your eligibility for unemployment insurance, although it is rare that large companies like Siemens ever attempt to block unemployment insurance.

Good luck to all those affected or about to be affected. In the case of LA, it won't matter much since there will be no selectivity. The entire LA diagnostic facility is slated for complete shutdown eventually. In the case of Tarrytown, the facility is likely to remain as an immunochemistry development center and probably for marketing, sales, and certain administrative functions. It would not be surprising, however, to see Siemens lease out part of the building in Tarrytown to others or to use it for non-diagnostics functions.

How to tell that you are

How to tell that you are about to be laid off. The Fictional Review - Part 1 of 4. Let's say your past your mid 40s expiration date so you know that it's coming. The only question is when. The earliest clue is usually a Fictional Review. Your projects have been on time and budget, you've been getting good feedback and increasing levels of responsibility, and you've consistently had good to excellent reviews for years. So you're confused when you find out during a review that your work is always late, the quality is poor, you just don't get along with people, there have been complaints about you, and so on. Sometimes the game is played by giving you a positive verbal (off record) review and a bad written (on record) review that you only see afterwards. Now, expectations can change and performance can slip. This happens and a properly implemented review process is designed to catch and, hopefully, correct it. The problem comes in when the review just doesn't match the facts. You can document that your work was done early or on time, you've got a stack of positive email from folks you work with, and current projects are major ones that are on schedule and running smoothly. When you ask for specifics of the problems your manager doesn't have any. Instead he gets angry and defensive.
This is a Fictional Review. It isn't important that these negatives didn't happen. This is a strategic move put in place to document poor performance in case it gets ugly after you're laid off. There's no way to change this review and it's a permanent part of your work record. All future reviews will look the same or, more likely, worse. Basically you've been tagged for release. The temptation is to fight it but you need to realize that hr is there to protect the company. Who do you think came up with a review process that can be used like this in the first place? It's time to start looking elsewhere and let your vacation time accumulate. Paying off debt as fast as you can is a smart move.

If one took all of the dead

If one took all of the dead wood at all of the Siemens DX sites and set them on fire, it would make the recent wildfire at Yosemite Park seem insignificant.

Just ask yourself what has Siemens accomplished in a positive sense since they took over three somewhat viable DX companies. Any new systems? Any decent system upgrades? Anything at all that would merit the adjectives 'new' or 'improved'? The only thing notable about Siemens DX is their complete lack of achievement. Even the term 'dead wood' is too complimentary; 'petrified forest' would be more appropriate.

Looks like LA was hardest hit

Looks like LA was hardest hit with 60 scheduled layoff through September 2014.
That number will likely increase as others from CrossPoint are also added to the list.
Tarrytown is also being hit but smaller numbers. More like clearing out some deadwood and bringing in some new blood.
It's our understanding LA is also in a "job freeze" so when people exit they are not replaced. A clear sign Siemens will eventually vacate the LA area and mark it as an expensive financial loss for DX. Tarrytown will still be hiring and, as before, concentrate on Centaur upgrades. Ironically, employee's in LA can apply for positions in Tarrytown if willing to relocate.

Looks like LA was hardest hit with 60 scheduled layoff through September 2014.
That number will likely increase as others from CrossPoint are also added to the list.
Tarrytown is also being hit but smaller numbers. More like clearing out some deadwood and bringing in some new blood.
It's our understanding LA is also in a "job freeze" so when people exit they are not replaced. A clear sign Siemens will eventually vacate the LA area and mark it as an expensive financial loss for DX. Tarrytown will still be hiring and, as before, concentrate on Centaur upgrades. Ironically, employee's in LA can apply for positions in Tarrytown if willing to relocate.

Are other sites on the west coast being affected? can Hardly imagine that only LA took a beating.

This constant bashing of

This constant bashing of Siemens over how they have handled LA is mean-spirited, unnecessary, and completely ignorant. You fail to recognize the unfair, yet realistic image that Germans have. Germans are perceived as being impulsive, compulsive, impatient, uncaring, and brutal. Why is so hard for you to see that Siemens' actions with respect to LA are intended to change this politically incorrect, prejudiced image of Germans, even if it costs Siemens a bit when it comes to corporate profits? Can't you see the noble intent of Siemens? Must you be so negative all the time?

The situation with Siemens

The situation with Siemens and LA is much like a couple that has been married for 20 years and now have nothing in common other than their kids and who basically hate each other, but just can't bring themselves to accept the reality that a divorce is in everyone's best interest. Siemens just can't seem to bite the bullet and finish the job they had planned from the very beginning ... shutting down LA completely. Some day, Siemens' behavior will become a 'classic' case study for Business 101 in most college curricula.

So they're finally closing

So they're finally closing down the RIA group at 96th St. next year.
How many are effected? Did they do any Immulite work there?
Will the CrossPoint Facility follow suit?
We here that building is still 3/4 empty!

Sounds reasonable. Siemens

Sounds reasonable. Siemens has spent the past several years downsizing their business and customer base, so it seems only fair that they will now downsize themselves. It is hard not to be cynical about Siemens, but it is something they have worked hard to earn.

Any news on the Town Hall

Any news on the Town Hall meeting?

Yes! We just heard Siemens will be shutting down the RIA Division on 96th St. in LA by next September 2014. Employee's will be let go in three groups throughout the year.
Remains to be seen what will happen at the CrossPoint Facility and how many additional layoffs will be coming from there as well.
We are having our own layoff issues at Tarrytown with departments closing. It's apparent DX is finally going through a major downsizing.

Any news on the Town Hall

Any news on the Town Hall meeting?

"Considering how well Siemens seems to do in their other businesses, it is simply astounding how incompetent they have been with diagnostics."

That's because diagnostics is a totally different animal that pharmaceuticals, imaging, energy, medical devices, etc. Most of these industries have a R&R capability that works fairly well, but diagnostics when biological systems are involved, is more like an athletic team or the entertainment industry. You can replace any single one or a group of team members who are even more qualified on paper, but things do not always translate well. Look at "2 1/2 Men", it just is not as good a show w/o Charlie, even as we all realize what an ass and mental case the guy is. Or the Bronco's w/ Tebow during that stretch; you just cannot explain how it happened even as Tebow just cannot repeat the feat again, no matter how hard he tries.

Some things just have a "chemistry" about them, and I do not mean the book kind.

We heard Sr. VP MJ is flying in to run the meeting.
They are trying to keep all info hush hush till tomorrow morning.

"Considering how well Siemens

"Considering how well Siemens seems to do in their other businesses, it is simply astounding how incompetent they have been with diagnostics."
No argument here.

So glad I was one of the layoffs from three years ago in LA. Bailing never felt so good. Roche has been so much better.

I did here from some remaining about a mandatory meeting Monday morning. Rumor has it they'll be either closing down after customers are informed (3-months) or finally sold off.
I'm sure someone there will post the results of tomorrow's meeting.

For some reason, LA, has more lives than a cat.

There was talk a few years

There was talk a few years ago about Siemens trying to sell off the RIA business and even back then, it was highly unlikely that anyone would buy a dying business with zero prospects of revival. The situation is even worse today and eventually Siemens will have to take the decision to close it down. The big mystery is why they haven't done so already. This is just another sign of Siemens' management inability to act and consolidate their empire into an efficient organization. Considering how well Siemens seems to do in their other businesses, it is simply astounding how incompetent they have been with diagnostics.

Does anyone have more

Does anyone have more information about LA's RIA Division closing up? I'm not surprised though.
It would be interestig if the Immulite group then follows shortly thereafter.

Not surprised Tarrytown and

Not surprised Tarrytown and LA are finally downsizing.
Siemens Diagnostic Division has done pitifully fiancially the past 7 years. IMAGING is the only branch bringing in the cashflow.
The financial year ends this month so expect announcements made this week on how many will be cut and which locations.

In other news, the Vista

In other news, the Vista platform (otherwise known as the "obsolete" Dimension) is selling so well that management is resurrecting some of the mothballed cost reduction upgrades that were never implemented when staffing was cannibalized to support the "T Project". Along with taking over Clinical Chemistry as Tarrytown becomes nothing more than a squatting ground for clueless upper DX management, the Delaware site is on a hiring binge, picking up contractors and direct hires at a good clip. Meanwhile the site (don't remember if it is TT or FLNDRS) designing the new IA Module falls further and further behind schedule.

Man the life rafts

Man the life rafts

Clinical chemistry R&D in Tarrytown is being shut down completely. The few remaining people in that department are being offered transfer to Delaware. Not a big surprise given the huge decline in Tarrytown-based clinical chemistry. The group that dominated the market with products like SMA, SMAC, and RA systems will just pass into history with only an AutoAnalyzer at the Smithsonian to remind people of their existence.

Nothing lasts forever, I guess. Pity.

We hear LA was hit with some layoffs a week or two ago and it's rumored the RIA Division at the old plant in LA might be shutdown after customers are informed this week as well. Employee's at the plant have spread the word a Mandatory Employee Meeting this week with Senior Management will take place Monday. Never a good sign.
At Tarrytown Supervisors have told employee's of pending Town Hall meetings as well but no date set. The deadwood walking around have perked up and running scared.
Apparently it looks like DX is finally going to begin cutting out unnecessary employee's, platforms and sites.
This should be interesting.

They just issued sales GPS

They just issued sales GPS ipads.
Boy do we trust you!
Leave them at home.

The expression most befitting

The expression most befitting Siemens would be, "The bad chase out the good."

"I was hoping for another ten

"I was hoping for another ten years employment with DX. But without another platform I might as well start looking elsewhere."

Hard to see how Siemens DX can last another 10 years. But stick around for at least one and it will feel like 10 years. If you're at Tarrytown, you already know that everything there appears to be moving in slow motion. Compared to the energy that once existed in Tarrytown, the site could easily be re-named as Zombie-town or Siemens Walking Dead Zone. Everyone there appears lethargic. They all walk around with glazed looks on their faces. There is zero sign of any energy or enthusiasm.

And just a faint, faint hint of what might have been ...........

Pity

How many more 'upgrades' do

How many more 'upgrades' do Siemens think that Centaur has? The last two were a) severely handicapped and b) stillborn. On top of that, they are still pushing a 30 year old system (Dimension). How long has it been now? 6 years? 7? And not a single new system from Siemens or even an upgrade that turned into a winner. Vista still hasn't made it and, after all of this time, is unlikely to ever do so.

Sound bad? It's only the tip of the iceberg. Whatever talent Siemens acquired during the shopping spree, is pretty much long gone. Siemens no longer has the critical mass of R&D people to develop a new system or even a significant upgrade to what already exists. Whatever team they might want to put together will have critical shortages in experience. There are virtually zero people in Tarrytown who ever worked on a new system or major upgrade. Critical skills are missing as well. Most, if not all, of the Tarrytown people who ever worked on a major system project have either retired or were caught up in the previous CM house clearing that was Bayer's revenge for Advia IMS (the system that was killed by DS and GW), or are simply dead wood waiting for a package. Much of the in-house proprietary knowledge has been lost (most likely forever).

Regardless of what personnel remain from DPC or Dade Siemens just doesn't seem to have the necessary horses for a major project of any kind. Remember that all future Immulite development was stopped almost immediately after the Bayer purchase (when Immulite became redundant to Centaur in the eyes of Siemens) and much of the DPC engineering talent was lost. There are also no signs of life from ex-Dade other than the ongoing saga of 'Saving Vista'.

Can Siemens DX management be so blind that they do not realize that another Centaur upgrade will be viewed by customers with either boredom and indifference to outright abandonment of Siemens as a legitimate supplier of diagnostics products. With the exception of a few die hards, Siemens diagnostics has zero credibility with customers.

You sure? I was hoping for

You sure?
I was hoping for another ten years employment with DX. But without another platform I might as well start looking elsewhere.
Centaur, Vista and Immulite are old.
Well, that was bad news.
I wonder if they plan on any site clousures this year.

Centaur-Trinidad

Centaur-Trinidad upgrade?
What a dreamer!
They have NOTHING!
Realize it now and adjust your plans accordingly.

Any news on the

Any news on the Centaur-Trinidad upgrade?

One can only hope and

One can only hope and pray.
Only oldtimers and deadwood want to stay at my site.
No one else would take them.
The rest of us just want a package and off we go. Should be more than enough to fix my "Sandy" roof damage.
With any luck, before the years end, Siemens will finally
start shutting down redundancies and bring to an end this horrible 7year nightmare.

Anymore news out there bout

Anymore news out there bout summer layoffs and site closures?
East coast is pretty quiet and workloads have diminished quite a bit since a year ago. Some blame it on SAP workorders and other say the writings on the wall about some platforms being eliminated.
Personally, I don't know which but something is definitely going on.

I've been outta DX for three

I've been outta DX for three years now.
What I find still so surprising is how many sites which should have been closed years ago are still open.
They were bleeding DX back then and I can only imagine how much they're bleeding it now.
I'm in a small privately owned lab now and much happier. Have room to grow, no "over the shoulder" lookers and financial piece of mind. I had none of these with Siemens.

This is also so true!

This is also so true!

Actually,neither of them

Actually,neither of them care. Every company site has a few a** kissers.

But Siemens is offering a one time loan if your half paycheck isn't enough to hold you.
So what does this all mean? Siemens, DX in paricular, is tying up loose ends where it can before additional layoffs and site closures. Due to its size and redundancies, which it never removed, they just can't function like this anymore.
It's basically a bandage patch like everything else they do.

They need to get back to basics, remove much of current management and slim down but at least 1/3 in size. Way too many identical platforms (all old I might add) to maintain and losing out to newer models by the competition.
Siemens "name" was not enought to hold the marketshare. Going from #1 tso #4 in less than 7years proves that.
All the "AGENDA" this and "AGENDA" that they roll out will not fix the problems. Just very expensive short term fixes.
No one in Diagnostics takes Siemens serious anymore.

Neither of you obviously

Neither of you obviously understands this.
People are often living paycheck to paycheck and to suddenly say 'oh, don't worry about that extra week without a paycheck' is the height of corporate calousness, and stupidity. I'm just glad I'm no longer part of the group of well meaning people that are trying every day but have to put up with this unneccesay crap.

Well gosh, for all the

Well gosh, for all the moaning, gotta say, I've never worked anywhere where they pay you on Friday for that week of work. It's always been paying you on Friday for the week (or month) before. Don't see this as a big deal at all. But guess it's an excuse for more whining...

They're trying to save as

They're trying to save as much money (DX is bleeding) before more layoffs take effect. Interesting how all this comes ut right before you're abut to receive your yearly increase which was already cut in half.
A major layoff schedule and some site closures are in the works.

Ya gotta love the idea of a

Ya gotta love the idea of a 'packet' telling you how this is really a good thing. But since they need that paycheck, few will raise hell. However if you are permanently delayed for a week it means you don't catch up till you leave, or die.

But DX paychecks are about to

But DX paychecks are about to be permanently delayed a week as Siemens "unifies" accounting and payroll across all divisions. So on top of the lower-level staff's earned and assigned raises for the first half of the year having been permanently stolen by management, now employees will be behind financially by a week's pay after their paychecks (starting in August) are permanently delayed by 7 days.

But wait! Management is concerned that the paycheck delay is "being misunderstood", so they will now send everyone a "packet" explaining the changes.... after everyone has had a chance to piss and moan for a couple of weeks (instead of fully explaining upfront in the original emailed notification of the change).

Jawohl, mein Frau und Herren, that's the "Siemens Way"!

If only they would close it

If only they would close it all, might motivate me to get off my @rse and go get a fulfilling job, heck its not too late I might still have time for a career!
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No, it won't all shutdown, just parts of it and sooner than people think.
At least you finally realized you have "no" career future within Siemens DX. In fact, 99% of the employee's do not.
Another downsizing is in the mix. We don't know which sites will be affected but Tarrytown is ripe for cutting deadwood whom just want to retire with a package anyway.
Problem is most of the younger hires here want to leave just as fast. Roche, Beckman, Abbott and others are courting middle and upper management types on a weekly basis.

Another good analogy. NK

Another good analogy. NK missiles are all for show and propaganda so far. In reality, the missiles have added nothing to NK itself. Not too unlike Vista, Advia IMS, and Gen-a-mess.

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