NEWS REGARDING SIEMENS LAYOFFS OCT 2012 - 2013

Please post here any news about layoffs and leave the political scene on the other thread.

"Can the latest roche cobas

"Can the latest roche cobas take over 80-90% menus that immulite and centaur combined? Just want to get an opinion from Roche's competitor. Thanks."

From an ex-competitor.
If you count allergies, not even close.
W/out them sure, and then some.

Can the latest roche cobas

Can the latest roche cobas take over 80-90% menus that immulite and centaur combined? Just want to get an opinion from Roche's competitor. Thanks.

Doesn't matter what you or

Doesn't matter what you or anyone else but his management thinks, what counts is what HIS management thinks of him. Do they still have confidence in him, and do they really think anyone else could have done or could do any better? At his level, you can bet he's a master at portraying a VERY positive upward image!

Golden boy or not Mikey has

Golden boy or not Mikey has done nothing but stumble from day one. He is probably the most clueless individual to have held this type position in many, many years.

MR is a golden Siemens boy,

MR is a golden Siemens boy, it would take a lot for Siemens to push him out. DX could stumble along for YEARS longer...

Numbered one to three, each

Numbered one to three, each envelope contained sage advice to the new CEO, and was to be opened in sequential order in times of company difficulty.

The first envelope contained a note advising "Blame your predecessor'.

The second envelope contained a note advising "Conduct a reorganisation".

The final envelope advised "Prepare three envelopes!"

;)

Submitted by Anonymous on

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 04/11/2012 - 23:11.

QUOTE "One way to judge a company's management is to look at the number of new programs, altered or modified programs and plans, initiatives, and re-organizations. The more frequent they are, the more likely it is to have an upper management that is not in control. It is an obvious sign of lack of stability." UNQUOTE

Do any of you recall the story of the CEO who upon commencement of his term found three envelopes left for him by his predecessor?

It was a good risk to stay

It was a good risk to stay until this latest cut in order for the labor market to get a chance to imrove. The trouble is it did not improve much; certainly for the labor market in general. Further, while Siemens may offer attractive severance pay for long time employees, the severance will surely be maxed out at 6 months regardless of how many years you have. Also, I do not know what the current benefits are but unemployment surely will not be granted for the former max. of 99 weeks; that was limited to a specific window of time for those laid off during the recession and was part of the stimulus package which is long gone. Gone also are extended Cobra benefits which were up to 18 months for those layed off during the recession also. I beleive it is only a max. of 6 months currently. These are huge differences that will make a $3,500-$4,000 dollar a month difference for a family drawing benefits (unemployment + Cobra) for up to a year to a year and a half longer than is currently available. Get fully informed for what will be available and do not listen to those formerly laid off; those benefits they received are long gone.

I hope you are right, but

I hope you are right, but Siemens is not obligated to give a package. If the package is good and you can find a job relatively soon, you made the right decision to stick it out to the end. If, however, there only a small package or none at all other than standard severence (1-2 weeks per year of service), you may regret your decision to stay.

I hope for your sake that the former scenario comes true. Those who stayed took quite a risk.

The sooner they announce any

The sooner they announce any layoffs the better.
People just want to get on with their lives.
All they want is a package and they'll be happy to leave.
The site by site DX internal survey just said it all.
Ironically, Siemens Management can't figure out why people want to leave. People are ready and willing to take their chances on the open market then stay but have no intention of leaving empty handed.

One way to judge a company's

One way to judge a company's management is to look at the number of new programs, altered or modified programs and plans, initiatives, and re-organizations. The more frequent they are, the more likely it is to have an upper management that is not in control. It is an obvious sign of lack of stability.

Clearly, Siemens fails miserably by this standard.

the e mail from MR last yr

the e mail from MR last yr (to all employees) was that the cp program would go for 2 yrs,until the end of 2013.
END QUOTE

Sadly, this isn't the case anymore. You're refering to the 1200 layoffs announced in 2011.
The additional 1600 layoffs was announced in August 2012.
The Nov. 8 announcement was announced about 2 weeks ago in an article regading Siemens selling off its Solar Division. It was mentioned that Nov. 8 would just be the beginning of informing Sielmens employees whom will be effected. So not everyone facing a layoff will be mentioned on that day.
But much of what they want done they was finished by end of this year...not 2013. Healthcare can't afford that much of a loss.

The problem with Siemens is

The problem with Siemens is that they bought three different companies and DX is still basically three different companies and cultures under a single roof, managed by people who don't understand the diagnostics business. It's the exact same mistake that Bayer made. Bayer bought Technicon and Miles and thought they could easily integrate it into their existing Pharma business. DX is very different from Pharma in several ways. Siemens bought Bayer, Dade, and DPC and assumed they would integrate seamlessly into imaging. Once again, the two businesses are very different, even though they have some customers in common. Maybe that's why automobile manufacturers haven't gotten into the gasoline business; same customers but completely different business dynamics.

Bayer never understood the differences and it is pretty clear that after all these years, Siemens doesn't either.

DX has far too many plants,

DX has far too many plants, extremlu inefficient

except for the plants which

except for the plants which will be reduced from 13 to maybe 6, over time (years)

the e mail from MR last yr

the e mail from MR last yr (to all employees) was that the cp program would go for 2 yrs,until the end of 2013

What a week for suspense

What a week for suspense fans. Which will be more of a thrill? The election on Tuesday or the end of the interminable waiting for Siemens to announce their layoff decisions.

Alfred Hitchcock, eat your heart out !!

Well, I guess this week we

Well, I guess this week we will know more...... Does anyone know if this weeks announcement is the end of the layoffs for the so called "Competitiveness Program"?
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Sadly not. It's my understanding the announcements starting this week are only for layoffs in 2012.
This will be an ongoing process unless DX can turn itself around. Well, that's not going to happen anytime soon.
Eventually, certain platforms will finally be retired. Something which should have been done years ago.

"just look at the management

"just look at the management change at Apple in past days. Several CXO and their buddies left. Time Cook is no Jobs, but for sure he knows how to change and make cuts.

Siemens may cut as many as they want, but if they keep the same captain of the DX fleet, it will still follow the same path to failure.

I wonder MR has the guts to fire guys at Sr. VP level, or even let himself go." END QUOTE

So, can he?

Well, I guess this week we

Well, I guess this week we will know more...... Does anyone know if this weeks announcement is the end of the layoffs for the so called "Competitiveness Program"?

Ignoring people like that is

Ignoring people like that is what led to the rise of national socialism in Germany, fascism in Italy, Stalinism in Russia, and Maoism in China and dozens of others like them in other parts of the world. Ignoring people like that in the past has caused the deaths of well over 100 million deaths when you add them all up. It is the same as ignoring the warning signs exhibited by many of the mass killings in the US including Colubine, the Gabby Gifford shooting in Arizona, the theater attack recently in Aurora, Colorado, etc. Burying one's head in the sand never works. These are sickos that need to be caught early and provided with help and/or isolation from society. Human decency demands that we stand up to people like this from day 1.

Ignore him. This idiot wrote

Ignore him. This idiot wrote the same the thing on another thread.

There is no place here for

There is no place here for anti-Semites. And the shear stupidity of calling a German company Zionist pretty much says it all for the idiot poster. As far as I'm concerned he or she deserves the same fate is his or her idols -- Hitler, Goering, Goebbels, and Himmler. Hopefully the site adminstrator will find a way to ban this Nazi from all future posting.

As far as Siemens runs by

As far as Siemens runs by Zionists terrorist type mafia, the comapnay won't see the light..

just look at the management

just look at the management change at Apple in past days. Several CXO and their buddies left. Time Cook is no Jobs, but for sure he knows how to change and make cuts.

Siemens may cut as many as they want, but if they keep the same captain of the DX fleet, it will still follow the same path to failure.

I wonder MR has the guts to fire guys at Sr. VP level, or even let himself go.

"half the DX worlwide plants

"half the DX worlwide plants will close, it will take years to accomplish"

Sometimes I wonder if Siemens is being run by plants. Management is completely clueless.

so relax

so relax

half the DX worlwide plants

half the DX worlwide plants will close, it will take years to accomplish

Haven't heard anything at my

Haven't heard anything at my site. I love the name though "competitiveness program". When I heard that I wanted to say "what the what"? It may mean that upper mgmt but certainly not to anyone else. Who come up with this stuff.
SNL should do a skit on Siemens. Then we could have the last laugh.

No news has surfaced

No news has surfaced yet.
Siemens will be announcing starting Nov.8 what it plans on doing within all its divisions including Healthcare. It was previously announced Healthcare will face 1600 layoffs but no one knows how many have already taken place.
What everyone already knows is that within the Healthcare Division, DX, has done the worst on financial return of investment. Considering Loescher is finally focusing on stopping cash bleeding you can expect DX to be widely impacted.
Apparently Siemens wants all this done before end of this year.
Ironically, many in DX Management believe this layoff and any closures will have a much wider effect on ending the bleeding than Agenda 2013 which is just a nonsense program started by HR in an attempt to put old instruments in labs which never wanted them in the first place.
Either way, things will be getting rough very soon.

Anyone hear reliable

Anyone hear reliable information that any of the plants are closing? How are Brookfield, Flanders and Tarrytown doing?

Pardon?

Pardon?

for goddess sake, 45 seconds

for goddess sake, 45 seconds of aiming and talking shit, only a few seconds upskirt. where the hell are people's priorities in this day and age?

"I'll dress up tomorrow night

"I'll dress up tomorrow night and my front will look like a Immulite and my bottom will like a Centaur. Somebody stop me!"

Why stop you. If you're on the East coast, you won't even be going out. If you are in the LA area, no one will notice or care. You'll blend in perfectly.

Were either of the above relevant to this thread? But did anyone get a smile out of either or both?

I could never work for

I could never work for Siemens. And they could never have someone like me working for them. It is more likely that the Palestinians and Israelis will solve all of their problems (and gain acceptance by all factions within their jurisdiction) in the next 24 hours than for me to work for them ... or vice versa.

I'll dress up tomorrow night

I'll dress up tomorrow night and my front will look like a Immulite and my bottom will like a Centaur. Somebody stop me!

"Most truly successful

"Most truly successful companies have excellence in all departments, be they R&D, QA, manufacturing, sales, marketing, finance, regulatory, legal, etc. But what makes them truly successful and exceptional is when they have a management that keeps everything in balance so that no department dominates and all are used for their particular sphere of expertise."

You don't work for Siemens DX do you... (That wasn't a question!)

"Surely there must be a

"Surely there must be a system where:
- The technically competent (scientists, engineers, producers of work) are rewarded with position and power.
- The abusive holders of MBA's (Missing Brain Awards) are simply paper-shufflers with no authority.

This system would actually lead to new products."

Actually, this system has been tried many times and has usually failed. There are some exceptions, but most successful companies have found ways to balance the expertise of all of their specialists. Scientists tend to be perfectionists or always looking for something better. While a noble trait, it often isn't practical. Too many great scientists in industry don't understand that better can often be the enemy of good enough. They don't understand many of the financial subtleties, they don't understand marketing and sales, etc. Frequently, they have problems relating to customer needs, because, rather than just listen, the go on and on about potential product features that are way beyond what a customer needs, in particular in a relatively mature business like DX. Most truly successful companies have excellence in all departments, be they R&D, QA, manufacturing, sales, marketing, finance, regulatory, legal, etc. But what makes them truly successful and exceptional is when they have a management that keeps everything in balance so that no department dominates and all are used for their particular sphere of expertise.

I don't know who died and

I don't know who died and left you in charge, but I am curious to know what the limits are in terms of what is appropriate for this thread and how that gets determined. This thread's title includes the words Siemens and Layoffs and News. The only news is that which Siemens decides to release and at a time of their choosing. Everything else you read here is either pure rumor, intentional misinformation, or speculation. When it comes to the other two key words, Siemens and Layoffs, it would seem that any discussion of why those layoffs are necessary, will they still be done if DX did better than expected in Q4, management bonuses simultaneous with layoffs, management competance, management philosophy, and perhaps general management behavior in many large and medium sized companies is, at least, tangentially appropriate.

So if you could please specify the limits for this particular thread, in totally unambiguous terms, I will be happy to comply.

Mom sends her regards,

Your little brother

(Hope the attempt at humour got through this time.)

It may be true but doesn't

It may be true but doesn't have any place here on this thread.

"Why was this comment

"Why was this comment flagged? I think it's funny and unfortunately all too true."

Thank you for your support and understanding. Apparently, your post was flagged as well. I realize that people are highly charged emotionally now and that any comment made here is presumed to be political, and that's ok. What I find to be ashame is that most people, you being an exception, have lost their sense of humor and their ability to recognize sacrcasm and cynicism.

Congratulations to you on having retained some of your humanity. A good lesson for other readers here.

To the flaggers: Go ahead. MAKE MY DAY !!!

Your friend .... Clint ;-)

[Who is John

[Who is John Galt?]
-------------------------

John Galt has become Gordon Gekko and Leona Helmsley.
"Greed is Good"
"Only the little people pays taxes"

Surely there must be a system where:
- The technically competent (scientists, engineers, producers of work) are rewarded with position and power.
- The abusive holders of MBA's (Missing Brain Awards) are simply paper-shufflers with no authority.

This system would actually lead to new products.

Who is John Galt?

Who is John Galt?

"...endemic to our

"...endemic to our system...We seem to have now evolved into a bizarro world in which incompetence is the most important trait for survival."

Why was this comment flagged? I think it's funny and unfortunately all too true.

It asks a fundamental question: Why are know-nothing a**-kissers holding the Director and VP titles?

Where are all of the technical experts? Locked in a closet somewhere producing all the work so that some executive can claim credit for it.

just ignore them

just ignore them

nice try, wait until after

nice try, wait until after the election to get back to DX, they hijacked this thread too, assholes

It is just another example of

It is just another example of how far our economic system has drifted from the original intent of the free market system. Anything this bad and this endemic to our system was never anticipated by people like Adam Smith. In the world in which he lived and the system he envisioned, such incompetance would have failed to survive. We seem to have now evolved into a bizarro world in which incompetance is the most important trait for survival.

"When they make you a manager

"When they make you a manager or executive, they lobotomize the parts of your brain that deal with balance, logic, and that maintains a reasonable level of contact with reality."
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This is the only reason I stay at my current company - the above statement is true everywhere and not just at Siemens.

Such a sad state of affairs that management self-selects and promotes greedy opportunists rather than technically competent people.

It's part of the irrational delusion - the opportunists are feeding management what they want to hear rather than the truth, which eventually leads to a downward spiral for the company.

You can be assured that

You can be assured that management will talk about all of the systems they placed this year and ignore all of the potential sales they lost to competitors. It's just the nature of things. When they make you a manager or executive, they lobotomize the parts of your brain that deal with balance, logic, and that maintains a reasonable level of contact with reality. Many managers and executives find ways to overcome their lobotomies, but at Siemens, they excel at the 'operation' and take every necessary step to prevent any remission of the partial ablation of their senior staff's brains.

Perhaps this is a bit overstated, but it would be hard to find proof to the contrary.

I didn't hear we finished

I didn't hear we finished year strong, only mixed. I'm sure the "spin" will be done to highlight the strong areas, and ignore the weak, so it will seem strong. Proof will be in the bonus multiplier.

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