NEWS REGARDING SIEMENS LAYOFFS OCT 2012 - 2013

Please post here any news about layoffs and leave the political scene on the other thread.

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It's so hush-hush that even

It's so hush-hush that even people in Trinidad or Tobago don't know about. It's so secret that work is being carried out at multiple sites. It's so under wraps that people from the different sites are discouraged from talking to one another for fear of a leak.

Hush-hush ... I think not.

They are developing a new

They are developing a new system but it is hush hush at this point in time.

This all may be true. But

This all may be true. But the fact remains that there is an optimum size for Siemens going forward in terms of staff and there are still many redundacies that ultimately will have to be eliminated. It is something they must focus on if they are to ever streamline their business. Site closings are a particularly difficult area since unique expertise is spread out for both R&D and manufacturing and Siemens has not had much success in trying to transfer technology from one site to another. It is something they must find a way to address.

They also need to strengten their service department, finish with the FDA, and develop a new system, while supporting the old existing product line and build their overall image with customers. MR may have met the target he set, and that's why people are getting their bonuses. Nonetheless, Siemens has a long way to go to get back to #1 and a lot of big things to manage and get right.

read the e mails people, they

read the e mails people, they have been saying this for months

delay is based totally om

delay is based totally om MR's committment to the Wall st analysts that DX hit the 2009 profit margins

I hope you don't believe that

I hope you don't believe that story about deferred raises being related to Siemens' FDA problems. MR and his crew don't exactly have a good track record when it comes to explaining things. It is almost as if their first reaction is: what can we tell the employees that is anything other than the real truth or distort it beyond recognition.

I would also be wary of anyone who can do your roof for 20K, given the generally inflated prices atfer an event like Sandy. Just get some references. All of those suffering the aftermath of Sandy deserve our sympathy and compassion, something which Siemens is lacking. I hope things work out for all those whose lives were interrupted abruptly and hope things get back to some semblance of normal as soon as possible.

Dealing with Sandy's

Dealing with Sandy's aftermath and now this. I think it's quite shameful.
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I'm also feeling the pain and totally agree with you.
I have no choice but to re-roof the whole house and deal with mold issues. Best quote so far was $20K! I was counting on that money to also help with family Holiday bills.
So getting an e-mail from MR telling me he's also not getting a raise is a total joke and how far apart these people are from the worker bee's.
MR...your bonus and stock options will more than compensate your pain.

I seriously doubt any

I seriously doubt any postponement is in place for layoffs or future closures.
Raises were deferred till July (US only) as a "punishment" for the three FDA letters dX received. Empoyee's at Town Halls were told, plain and simple, the merit raise money is being used for all the outside QA people brought in to help "fix" the problem.
So, bottom line, didn't matter how hard you worked or how much you engaged yourself within the Siemens family. US employees got screwed out of 6months merit raise.

This is not the end of it all. DX is still far below expected revenue. The Nov. 8th news was about how bad DX is actually doing. Overall, Siemens revenue is up which makes it harder to accept any merit raise being held back.

Morale couldn't get any lower.
Dealing with Sandy's aftermath and now this. I think it's quite shameful.

Not sure what official

Not sure what official statements were made about Nov. 8 or whether this is just a case of a rumor repeated often enough becoming fact. One possibility is that DX did somewhat better than last year and the boys on top decided to take another look at reducing costs. One answer would be a delay in raises. They may also feel they don't have to lay off as many people so they are going through another round of discussions of which people they thought they would lay off can now be retained. Just a guess, of course, but apparently, November 8th was a guess as well.

Whatever the case, Siemens still has a long way to go. They bought three companies that had one thing in common. There was a single headquarters with most of R&D, marketing, sales, finance, regulatory, QA, etc. Each had other facilities, in particular manufacturing, but the key point is that those at the main headquarterss felt they were part of a team. You didn't necessarily like everyone there or like every policy or plan. But you had a sense of being on the same team and that you were working together to outdo the competition. Siemens has failed from day 1 to create this same team spirit. There is still Siemens Glasgow, Siemens LA, and Siemens Tarrytown. There is NO Team Siemens or sense of 'WE (Seimens)', just a sense of the internal we vs. them. Anyone ever see a team win when they are fighting among themselves? Part of the problem is Siemens pride. Most of the top brass live in a world where they believe it is an honor to work for Siemens. The probably expected that just having the opportunity to work for a world class operation like Siemens would be more than enough motivation to forget the past and form an immediate solidarity within DX and with Siemens as an whole. Boy, were they wrong, and they still haven't figured out how to generate real team spirit .. not the rah-rah-rah kind they try to generate with town meetings and cheerful emails. On top of all that, Siemens management has had an almost uncanny knack for making bad strategic and tactical decisions when it comes to running DX.

The bottom line is that layoffs were either cancelled, deferred, or are being modified. Management is still smiling because the trend is in the right direction (a modest increase over last year). However, I am very happy that I am not one of Siemens employees, none of whom can have both open eyes and ears, and feel secure and very optimistic about the future.

I agree that it is

I agree that it is frustrating that someone says an announcement will be made on Nov 8th and then Nov 8th comes and goes. In our email about the merit delay, It did state that more to come in a couple of weeks. So who knows what that means, - financial figures, whatever that means.

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what is with all this spam??

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'Well, I guess if I can't get

'Well, I guess if I can't get a straight answer on what sites will go bust, then what months are we looking at that people will get the heave ho? Doesn't the big one usually come in January?"

No why January? They always seem to come Nov Dec Who is supposed to give you a straight answer on what site will close? The people who really know are not talking. They want to close half the plants world wide (6?). This will take years.

I would be the most nervous in Brookfield.

No point in coming here to

No point in coming here to get real information about dates. I seem to remember a January 6th armegeddon date, the latest date, November 6th otr 8th has now come and gone.

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I agree. Say you're a VP or

I agree. Say you're a VP or above knows all the timelines and events of DX for the future. You know you're safe and will continue to make base salary and get bonus no matter DX hits its target or not, why on earth you bother to "troll" around this site/thread? As always, any DX thread is for worker ants venting and whining about the management and themselves - nothing more.

Let's leave this thread alone for a moment, try to forget all the sh!t in DX. Spend sometime to build a lego with your kids, or accompany your wife shopping at macy's, at least eat a big fat turkey.

Well, if you can't get a

Well, if you can't get a straight answer on which sites will be hit by layoffs (or when), my guess is it's because nobody on these boards knows. I've only been lurking for a few months, but I've seen several predictions for when "D-Day" would be, and none have been realized. Even if someone did know, what good would it do you to know? Thinking that you know when/where the next round will hit will mostly just serve you by increasing your anxiety level before the next predicted D-Day or giving you a false sense of security should you survive that date and think that the worst is over. It's clear from the annual report etc that Siemens (and DX) has set aggressive goals for 2013, and part of the way they hope to meet those goals is through cost reductions (see: effective date for salary increases delayed 6 months). So feels like an environment that could have layoffs throughout the year (or two or three). Doesn't help me much to stress over when they might hit. Except as a parlor game.

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Well, I guess if I can't get

Well, I guess if I can't get a straight answer on what sites will go bust, then what months are we looking at that people will get the heave ho? Doesn't the big one usually come in January?

LA is done obviously, but

LA is done obviously, but Siemens is just a bit gunshy of losing any more weakness in Immulite for the near future. Sales are holding on and the other systems, most notably Vista, are failing to show promise so old technology sales become more important to save whatever is left of the divisions reputation.

William always knew. He was

William always knew. He was the one, after all, that caught the loaner repair person (who would someday become the manager of facilities) messing around in a car . But then, why would Albert save all of the blue buttons? Remember, he said, never let a monkey play all alone in the glassware department of Macy's.

I'd like to ask someone in

I'd like to ask someone in the know if they could either tell us or give us a good hint about which sites will close etc.

"Time seems to stand right

"Time seems to stand right still
In a child's world it always will

Yesterday's dreams
Are tomorrow's sighs
Watch children playing
The seem so wise"

Raymond Thomas

"My riches can't buy

"My riches can't buy everything..........I want to hear the children play......"

"Yes, but this site was

"Yes, but this site was overwhelmingly focused on subjects that make the determination child's play."

This one may have been the best post of all. Who else but children would be posting all sorts of of 'my daddy can beat your daddy' posts here? None of this nonesense matters. November 8 doesn't matter. Mid-December doesn't matter. Delayed raises and paid on time bonuses don't matter. What matters is the long term. What matters is the longer term. What matters is what is left after any layoffs. Will there be a team of people who can actually develop a 'new' system? Did the market research people get the customer requirements right? Is there a plan in place to keep DX going until the new system is released? Is managementy up to the task of managing the next few lean years and making the rightg decisions to finalize the consolidation that has now dragged on for 7 years? Layoffs now will affect a small percentage of the totaly workforce. Failure to deal with the future a few years out will have a much larger impact on those who remain.

bonus will be paid Dec 14,

bonus will be paid Dec 14, mid dec as always

"Really? I work with plenty

"Really? I work with plenty of people over 30 years of experience who are, at minimum, aware of this site. If you can identify someone by 3 sentences though, good on you."

Yes, but this site was overwhelmingly focused on subjects that make the determination child's play.

"I have over 30 yrs with

"I have over 30 yrs with DX.Survived many layoffs. Do your jobs and stop whining!!!"

Voice of a Corporate Stool.

The bonus isn't delayed,

The bonus isn't delayed, merit increases are.

I expect the Bonus to be paid around mid December as usual.

"Since DX is only 7 years old, you must have spent nearly 30 years at one of the three companies. There can't be too many of you as the list is most assuredly a very short one."

Really? I work with plenty of people over 30 years of experience who are, at minimum, aware of this site. If you can identify someone by 3 sentences though, good on you.

What if... Management

What if... Management delayed the bonus until July, so it gives them more time to layoff a significant number of employees BEFORE July, and that way, they don't need to pay them a bonus and can save money? Check the rules of the bonus - do you have to be employed when the bonus is given out?

Normally, if you do get laid-off, the bonus is prorated by how much of the year you worked. So, it could also be that the "prorate time" has now been reset to Jan. 1, 2013, NOT Jan. 1, 2012...

You can bet there's some big financial win behind this "bonus" strategy.

We can always hope, though, that management is trying to keep people employed in the economic environment.

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The email also stated that if

The email also stated that if part of your bonus is based on financial DX, then your will receive more money than the year before. Personally, I would rather wait for my bonus if it means that people will not get laid off and that seemed to be part of the reason for the delay until July. This is for US only and does not affect anyone else......... as far as the delay in receiving our bonus goes.

I know I was counting on it but I can wait......

So if we get our raise in

So if we get our raise in July is it retroactive to January?
Somehow I don't think so.

Oh it's Friday , and that

Oh it's Friday , and that will be bad news day as that's traditional at Siemens
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so you know, who cares

so you know, who cares

Since the list is very short

Since the list is very short we can make pretty good assumptions of who you are, and I for one thiks I know who you are.

"I have over 30 yrs with

"I have over 30 yrs with DX.Survived many layoffs"

Since DX is only 7 years old, you must have spent nearly 30 years at one of the three companies. There can't be too many of you as the list is most assuredly a very short one.

Bummer drag...

Bummer drag...

CEO says no pay increase this

CEO says no pay increase this year even though we met our objectives. Really? so fishy.

http://online.wsj.com/article

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732407350457810691307113919...

Hopefully, Siemens Healthcare can "stay above" the rest of Siemens this FY. Not sure how DX stacks up in all of this.

I have over 30 yrs with

I have over 30 yrs with DX.Survived many layoffs. Do your jobs and stop whining!!!
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30YEARS! DX has only been around 6years.
Things are so bad it just feels like 30 years.

It's always easy to go down a

It's always easy to go down a bit when you are number 1 and equally easy to move up when you're number 4 at best. More important, is this a worldwide thing or just UK numbers?

And, as Henry Kissinger was

And, as Henry Kissinger was fond of saying* ... it has the added benefit of being true.

*A favorite expression of our former Secretary of State when discussing various options of what to say to the press or the Americsan public.

Ahhhh, how I miss the good old days.

LA (old DPC) will be closed.

LA (old DPC) will be closed. When? I'm sorry, but this is a question one does not ask Siemens management. If you do, you will get one of several answers:

1. We don't plan to close LA; your job is secure.
2. We have a plan, but we can't tell you yet
3. Here is the date (but keep in mind that we haven't met any target date for anything yet.

Get it? Since you can't get a straight answer from Siemens, all you can do is wait for others to post more rumors here. Keep in mind that the latest and greatest rumor of a big Nov. 8 layoff was wrong as far as I can tell.

Which west coast Dx sites

Which west coast Dx sites will be closed? When?

"Losing customers has more to

"Losing customers has more to do with the cliff that customer service has gone over and the inadequacies of their products"

Why would service be important aty all if the systems were reliable? Good products in this business require very little service in the first place. This is a key customer requirement: Sell me a system that works from day 1, provide me reagents in a timely manner, and let your servvice department be pretty much invisible.

In regards to layoffs and

In regards to layoffs and site closures, let's put the cards on the table! Just speculating, of course, which sites, if closed, would be cost effective in helping Siemens to reduce their debt? How many people would you have to lay off to do this as well?

Well said....

Well said....

I have over 30 yrs with

I have over 30 yrs with DX.Survived many layoffs. Do your jobs and stop whining!!!

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