anyone seen this ??????????????

www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=501702

Just like career benefit claimants.

"Thanks for the outburst. I suffer the same on a daily basis......"
Yes yes yes yes yes....lol yes!!
Well said in its entirety. I agree. While I was at sandwich there were several of these types. Calling the shots as well in some cases. Mean politicians though in some cases. But just leeching the company. It feels like you are working for their childrens sake. Pfizer is a termite mound full of these nasty idiots.

when you look around. Novartis is still the best place for a scientist who wants to do best quality research.

If novartis wants to keep the best it should pay like Genentech, vertex Biogen etc...

I was thinking of joining Novartis to be a group leader but seems it is really bad environment.

I know what you mean. The worst though are those asshats who

a)sit around complaining all day about what others are doing and saying and watching what time who comes into work and when they leave,

and b) are always also always complaining about "how busy they are", but are never in the lab and always have time to stay current on 'a'

and c) also complain about the number of hours they work but if they would stop spending 3 hours a day doing 'a' they wouldn't have to stay extra hours to get done what little work they do get done.

Its just well thought out and really fantastic to see someone who knows how to put these thoughts down so well

Happy go lucky twits rule at that place, haven't figured that out yet?

Ouch - this thread is brutal! Surely we can come up with a transparent solution to this issue. We have brains - let's use them for good! Start with the bigger picture - we need children for our future work force to support us as we age and become pensioners, and we don't want the USA to grow solely by immigration... Is there any company that does well in supporting parents such that the parents are productive at work?

yes, but they are at managerial or director levels where the level of contribution is low to start with. What we are talking about is the coal face where most of the work is done and useful discoveries, albeit rare, are actually made. We cant afford slackers at this level, especially now. I have an overpaid baby machine working for me who has contributed less in the past 3 years than the 2 poorly paid summer interns I had. If i could find any way to sack her i would. To the company, to science and to healthcare, she has contributed zilch. She has been a net loss. And sadly, shes not alone. We have hundreds on site in various departments. There is no bigger drain and blockage on american industry than mothers who return to work. No doubt this uncomfortable truth is considered politically incorrect by those petrified of lawsuits but we will not compete and will continue to decline unless someone senior grows a pair and starts dealing with it. For gods sake, it doesn't need to be written down in company policy anywhere; it simply has to be a unwritten gentlemans agreement. If Pfizer managed to instigate a covert policy whereby we got rid of penion-expensive-over-40s for the past 10 years it cannot be beyond us to do the same with ovary-driven scientific also-rans.

I am sure there are plenty of men who come in and expound about their knowledge of the latest football game and how their offspring are great at sports wasting just as much time.

Thanks for the outburst....

And thus the story goes on and the inequality continues. Non females (we are no longer males as that is sexist and inflammatory)have to sit there and work the hours and not miss a beat whilst the activity listied below is supported by femal HR. This is all so accurate and not unusual.

Thanks for the outburst. I suffer the same on a daily basis. I work with numerous Pfizer 'soccer moms'. They arrive at 9.30, cliche coffee mug in hand, 20 mins of verbal pi$% about getting their repugnant offspring ready for school, runny noses, tantrums etc and then they move onto the traffic anecdotes (everyone a classic with hilarious punchline). By around 10.15, a serious attempt is made at reading emails. By this time, most of the guys have been in since 8.00 or before. Pristine labcoat (complete with pencil and Gonk collection) finally gets lifted about 10.30 but not before checking text messages and facebook pages of other members of the blessed fertile-female-fraternity. By 12.00, the first cell line becomes contaminated with some girly crap and so lunch is arranged with another Joy Luck Club member to discuss 'relationships'. Forty five minutes of blah, blah blah with classics such as 'he doesnt understand me' and 'i'm not the type of person to.....yadayadayada'. During this constant verbal dynamic equilibrium, no information is transferred and nothing new is learned. Group meeting occurs after lunch in which they become amazingly vocal in an attempt to potray themselves as having technical or scientific value. And yet, their own presentations seem littered with excuses and "insurmountable technical problems" due to faults in others e.g 'its the cells' or 'the chemists gave me the wrong info'. By 3.30 the regular phoencall from the school or nursery occurs regarding little Johnny or Amanda and their brush with death with conjunctivitis. Their day ends at 3.45 as it always does with some incoherent mumbling about a 'migraine coming on'.
The funniest aspect of all this is that HR have granted these women the mighty title of 'Scientist' so elevating them to the levels of Marie Curie. And then they wonder why so few of them rise to the top. That said, Pfizer has several female directors, everyone a complete moose.

Apparently the previous poster does not appreciate or recognize or value humor and sarcasm. As the great Foghorn Leghorn said - That's a joke son....

"Again - great post! Poor social skills are pervasive in this entire industry. Since we are all forced into sitting through 2 days per year of 'Diversity Training' a/k/a Litigation Avoidance Indoctrination I propose a sort of reverse diversity training. How about cultural/social skills training for all of the left brained, borderline Asperger's Rain Men/Women? Since I am the right brained sort, I'd be happy to be a Deportment Coach for a)brainiacs that avoid eye contact or a response to a friendly 'hello', b)30 something texting zombie managers that have neither the class nor the social intelligence to conduct themselves properly in meetings, c)a less severe form of "What Not To Wear" for the mismatched masses, d)proper manners for elevators, passing in hallways and holding doors open. There's got to be an opportunity for commerce here..."

Yes, please tell us how you would like us all to behave. That would be about as interesting as the OP's opinion on.....anything. How about this - shut up and do your job?

Your Novartis colleagues at NJ have been fuc**d up by the company.

This is why America is #1 in the Hospitality industry only. We're losing every where else, but undercooking french fries and mis-assigning motel rooms.

In a company environment, you have a choice of jelly-fish, lemmings or parasitic bottom feeders for co-workers; that is all.

Again - great post! Poor social skills are pervasive in this entire industry. Since we are all forced into sitting through 2 days per year of 'Diversity Training' a/k/a Litigation Avoidance Indoctrination I propose a sort of reverse diversity training. How about cultural/social skills training for all of the left brained, borderline Asperger's Rain Men/Women? Since I am the right brained sort, I'd be happy to be a Deportment Coach for a)brainiacs that avoid eye contact or a response to a friendly 'hello', b)30 something texting zombie managers that have neither the class nor the social intelligence to conduct themselves properly in meetings, c)a less severe form of "What Not To Wear" for the mismatched masses, d)proper manners for elevators, passing in hallways and holding doors open. There's got to be an opportunity for commerce here...

I agree with the OP. The "scientists" here have the social skills of trailer park grade school kids.

Welcome to the USA:
Try using a shower and a toothbrush once in a while

This is absolutley fantastic !!

Ever thought about writing for Family Guy ??

MORE ! MORE! MORE !

PS another reader who doesn't give a S##t

Most original and insightful post of 2012.

Yeh, parts of this are funny but most of it is pretty sad. I sure hope that the OP is not married with children because, if so, he/she must have one very miserable family.

This is hilarious! Thanks for my laugh of the day.

"to my Novartis colleague"

Why flag it, Just replace Novartis with any other name in any other organization. There are so many of these women out there, photos, bumper stickers and all. And the poster is correct, we do not give a sh@t, never have, never will. Will all of you that do this, give us a break, we just do not care, really not interested.