New CEO to announce outcome of new restructuring plan in Jan Feb, what's he going to say?
One for you, one for me, one for you, one for me
Anyone willing to share?
So, announcements on new structures will start tomorrow. Meanwhile, they may have settled on a new site:
I agree too with the post below, even though in Lund we were not given as much help as at charnwood and we were not allowed to leave the site before march 2011 otherwise we would loose the redundancy.
Good post below. Totally agree. I'm ex-C and experienced exactly as you put it except I got out in July 2010 with a full 1.75.
As the person below who was present for the Charnwood closure (but no longer working for AZ) I can only say the following. AZ may seem ruthless regarding cuts and closures but then what is the alternative given the state of the companies pipeline and existing patents?
Regarding the handling of the redundancies at Charnwood, not only was employment law adhered to but they went way beyond. We were informed of the closure in March 2010 and people were allowed to leave anytime from Sep 2010 up to Dec 2011 with full redundancy payment so undeniably pretty flexible. From March 2010 onwards we were officially allowed to spend 20% of our time on job-hunting and unofficially much more than that got approved, we were given free CV writing and interviewing courses, job fairs were arranged on-site and we were given a cash allowance to spend on training. Concerns were raised regarding TUPE but we were told categorically it would not apply, and it didn't. And as for those in the 50 - 55 age group that had a pension that would've kicked in at 50 with no reduction on redundancy. That only changed because UK pension law changed prohibiting pension payments below age 55 so blame George Osbourne for that one not AZ. That notwithstanding, attempts were made to find interim positions for those people to tide them over to 55
There are clearly some bitter ex-AZ employees out there and I guess it's understandable as the Charnwood closure disrupted a lot of settled lives, mine included but the reality is that the redundancies themselves were handled in a way that went way-beyond anything you're likely to experience elsewhere.
Don't kid yourself that AZ would give enough of a shit about any of that.
Because they won't.
You will be, like thousands before you, expendable - despite how invaluable you delude yourself to be.
It's hard, but move on rapidly - you will not regret.
I was at Charnwood for the closure and was in a meeting where the TUPE question was asked and it was stated categorically that TUPE would not apply.
The experience at Charnwood during the 2011 closure suggests something rather different. If AZ had managed to sell the site, staff were vulnerable to TUPE and would lose their 1.75 package and (if in the age range eligible for an immediate unreduced pension on account of redundancy), would also lose this entitlement. Some staff (within their notice period) served counter-notice to enable them to leave before it was too late.
The problem with the AP situation is that the timelines for transfer / redundancy / TUPE and the move to Cambridge are so much longer. I predict a lot of anguish amongst the affected staff.
We were informed that the redundancy package will remain the same whether you go this year or in 2016 whether that's with AZ or another company. Otherwise it would be an easy way of AZ saving money i.e. Outsource work and save the cost of paying redundancy. Can't see that being ok in the eyes of employment law.
my understanding is that TUPE is supposed to protect your rights and terms and conditions if you transfer.
The 1.75x salary redundancy is probably as likely to go whilst at AZ as at a new employer.
If my group is TUPE'd to VWR/Johnsons will the AZ terms and conditions remain the same? I'm not clued up on TUPE law and am worried we'll lose our 1.75 at somepoint in the future!
GSA= global safety assessment it used to be run by Peter moldeus, then last year when sodertalje closed a German guy took over Stefan Platz. Jim is gone!
No longer work at AP so excuse the questions. What is GSA. I thought adMPK was part of GSA that is why Jim L got the chop
Rumours are that GSA AP will be hit very hard, other less so.
global DMPK will be merged into GSA, were told that the new strucure and size will be a guide for how things will be at the new Cambridge site. At least it sounds like there will be GSA presence
CVMD and RIA iMeds at molndal, Discovery Science, and then also GSA & Global DMPK together!
Pharm Dev have Tue PM for their announcements. Not sure who has announcements on Wed PM?
No, it's Wednesday for all staff. But the afternoon part was correct ;-)
Sorry but you've probably come to the wrong place to get anything non-moaning, sensible or remotely positive. This is an AZ forum after all :-)
Sorry for posting here, but it seems this is the only site that I can find anyone talking about Randox.
I have an interview with them regarding a sales role. So far on here all I can read are negative comments. Should I bother going to meet them?
D-day is Tuesday 21st May. Afternoon sessions for all staff.
seems as though management in development are finally to get a culling????
The Dole Office
Do anybody now when the new name of the company will be announced?
Usual pre-announcement crap has started in PD. Front line managers getting told bugger all in an attempt to make them feel more involved and prepared to deal with the consequences of bad news not of their making. What on earth is the point of all this pre-meeting, b*ll*cks
... and you are a cock, soon to be unemployed
"Of course the Stanley Arms is no longer open I only made the references to show I am not a spammer and know the site and senior people very well. Last post"
but you are a prick
Thank Christ. Next loony please.
Of course the Stanley Arms is no longer open I only made the references to show I am not a spammer and know the site and senior people very well. Last post
all quite possibly true but merely by relocating to Cambridge, even if they offer everyone the opportunity to move, they will eliminate the more than 80% who choose not to move
The idea about moving to Cambridge is to build and create a new AZ culture with an influx of Oxbridge/London top scientists.
Moving a whole chunk of AP with the AP culture would defeat the object of the 0.5 Billion dollar venture.
It is easier to destroy a place and rebuild a new culture than trying to change the culture over time.
So I do not imagine a huge number of people moving down south.
I think you have misunderstood it as the others write. They expect 15-20% to accept the relocation. So if someone says to you " only 15% will move" it is not the same as 15% will be offered. The number that will be offered us around 60%. Besides none of your sources are really active are they? Stanley Arms doesnt even trade anymore....
If you do not believe what I say that is fine, as I said I no longer work at AP I just have good contacts. When I did work there I knew Roger Mcm. very well. I had strong contacts in the old CTL, now long gone and enjoyed many a drink in the Stanley Arms with the notorious Cliff Elc. who is now at Dundee. Anyone with any history at AP knows who I am talking about and knows I am not a scammer
"I obviously cannot revealed sources but the Number to Be offered Jobs is 15 to 20%"
During the Pfizer fiasco this site was full of stunted runts claiming that they knew what was going to happen and boasting of inside information from sources. Their motives were never clear but anyone with a brain could see that the posters were either.....
1. Biofind staff aiming to increase post frequency and hence web traffic for the site in order to maintain advertising revenue. (and yes, I'm aware of the irony in replying to the post hence achieving their aim. Whoopy doo)
2. lonely, powerless retards incapable of competing on a level playing field.
It is likely that this claim about the number of jobs offered is is another example of number 2 (in more ways than one). You cannot reveal(ed) sources because you do not have any. What you do have is a mental health problem.
The one and only thing I have learned from Biofind is that anyone who has reached any significant position of influence in Pharma and who may have some inside information has nothing to do with this site. The rest of us are shit on their shoes and our posts on here are merely uninformed speculation.
if they only offered 20% of people a role at Cambridge then even if all of them accepted that is still only 400 people, leaving AZ to recruit externally 1,200 people! that's impossible, would take years - I call bull-shit.
Sorry, but I can't trust anyone who doesn't know how to use capital letters or their shift key correctly, your posts look like every other spam message that hits my inbox
Think what you like I merely Tell you how it will Be.
I would be very surprised if the number of people "offered" a role was this low. Methinks you are stirring the brown stuff
I obviously cannot revealed sources but the Number to Be offered Jobs is 15 to 20%.
"The New CEO Sems to want a high turnover of bench staff to keep things fresh ie nö velvet box syndrome. Expect rolling 3 year contracts."
what do you base this on?
Not saying your data of 15- 20% of people being offered a move is wrong but data we were given when Charnwood closed was that historically, across all companies/industries, for a relocation within the UK if all staff were offered a relocation they would get 15% to move. Possible that they are expecting 15 - 20% of people to move rather than offering a move to 15 - 20% of people? if they only offered 15% of people a move and only 15% of those accepted then that would be just over 2%! and given that there are around 2,000 at AP at the moment that would be just 40 people moving to fill 1,600 roles at Cambridge! I suspect more than 20% will be offered moves to Cambridge and in reality, for anyone prepared to move there will be the opportunity to do so other than at the senior roles.
My understanding is that 15 to 20% of AP People will Be offered Jobs at Cambridge. The New CEO Sems to want a high turnover of bench staff to keep things fresh ie nö velvet box syndrome. Expect rolling 3 year contracts. This is a fast dying company, take the package when offered and get out.
"There will Be nö Löss of jobs in Liverpool"
in a city of people who don't want jobs?
companies moving in will want to bring or recruit their own staff, TUPE won't apply.....maybe possible for site support (engineering etc) type roles but not for lab roles.
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