Bio-Rad LSG: Why doesn't anyone here talk about it?

Have they become that irrelevant in the industry, or are they that perfect?

Are you talking about BCI

Are you talking about BCI Miami HR and Management. or they went to the same school of leadershiit

How to deal with a hostile

How to deal with a hostile work environment ? some of QuantaLife guys
are contract employees and seem hostile at times; not satisfied with their work...too much complaining

only genius people can manage

only genius people can manage the chaos....

Those quantalife guys are

Those quantalife guys are idiots.....a bunch of chaos...no
organization at all.

"Then there are a couple of

"Then there are a couple of clueless and deadbeat managers, who only care about themselves and will throw their reps under the bus to protect their own asses."

This has always been a part of Biorad's management culture, but this year it won't be as effective for these deadwood managers because that approach only works as long as there is a significant portion of the force that is performing well to compare to. It's hard to throw 'reps under the bus' when all of NASD is marching to Bataan right now.

Those QuantaLife guys made a killing.

"Then there are a couple of

"Then there are a couple of clueless and deadbeat managers, who only care about themselves and will throw their reps under the bus to protect their own asses."
Do you mean eastern area manager JL?

He'd be at the top of a very long list.

"Then there are a couple of

"Then there are a couple of clueless and deadbeat managers, who only care about themselves and will throw their reps under the bus to protect their own asses."
Do you mean eastern area manager JL?

This culture of "feedback" at

This culture of "feedback" at Bio-Rad is a bunch of bullshit. If they really care about what the employees think, then they should ask the field reps what they think about their managers and people in marketing. ISO team is a joke...they put a bunch of idiots who have no idea and no understanding of the business. No wonder why Bio-Rad failed along with a bunch of products! Then there are a couple of clueless and deadbeat managers, who only care about themselves and will throw their reps under the bus to protect their own asses.

That´s it! no more no less -

That´s it! no more no less - they will loose day by day market shares - ....but they still have a huge pocket......so it will take some time before a big fish gets hungry

I think the answer is that

I think the answer is that they are both imperfect and irrelevant.

"European R&D, Service,

"European R&D, Service, Marketing and Sales departments have already begun redundancies or 'restructuring'. US and far east are next."

incredible.....what a speed........why did that take so long??

European R&D, Service,

European R&D, Service, Marketing and Sales departments have already begun redundancies or 'restructuring'. US and far east are next.

any word on the buzz about

any word on the buzz about possible downsizing internally coming soon?

Is it possible that old

Is it possible that old numbers was cooked by his son to please him? Couple of % might be easy to be moved around after all.

"The numbers look bad right after Dave died because he was making and selling the products and was the only one who was good at it (sarcasm). I don't think that Biorads quarterly report has anything to do with Dave cause I am guessing he didn't have a lot to do with day-to-day operations. I think you would have to look at any big decisions to see the impact of Dave being gone."

So, there is one. Where is

So, there is one. Where is it?

On paper somewhere.

The numbers look bad right

The numbers look bad right after Dave died because he was making and selling the products and was the only one who was good at it (sarcasm). I don't think that Biorads quarterly report has anything to do with Dave cause I am guessing he didn't have a lot to do with day-to-day operations. I think you would have to look at any big decisions to see the impact of Dave being gone.

Why numbers eventually looks

Why numbers eventually looks bad as soon as David died?
It sounds to be a good reason for another round of layoff.

"The Life Science segment sales for the second quarter of 2012 were $162.4 million, a decrease of 4.4% compared to the same period last year. On a currency neutral basis, sales decreased 0.9% compared to the second quarter in 2011. The sales decrease was primarily driven by lower sales in the process chromatography product lines as sales in these product lines are usually large and tend to be infrequent. The currency neutral sales decline in the Life Science segment was driven primarily by total Europe and North America, while sales in the Pacific Rim and Latin America increased.

The Clinical Diagnostics segment sales for the second quarter of 2012 were $344.0 million, a decrease of 1.2% compared to the same period last year. On a currency neutral basis, sales increased 4.9% compared to the second quarter in 2011. Clinical Diagnostics had growth across most product lines on a currency neutral basis, most notably from quality controls, diabetes and BioPlex� 2200 system. Currency neutral sales growth was primarily in eastern Europe and the Middle East, the Pacific Rim and the U.S., while the developed markets in western Europe decreased.
"

"DBC center worse than

"DBC center worse than Hercules campus."

So, there is one. Where is it?

Bio-Rad is a shitty company

Bio-Rad is a shitty company to work for too much office politics....micro-managers...noisy coworkers....coworkers acting like the boss....bad yearly employee rating system...etc...

DBC center worse than

DBC center worse than Hercules campus.

What is the DBC direction &

What is the DBC direction & PD role meeting in pleasanton about ?

Is this 'DBC' people speak of an actual 'center', or a list of a couple of names already employed at Biorad?

What is the DBC direction &

What is the DBC direction & PD role meeting in pleasanton about ?

Bio-Rad is a mediocre company

Bio-Rad is a mediocre company with a Pez dispenser management system. That is, one crappy manager leaves and his crappy report moves up to replace him. Too many lifers just waiting to get their chance at the top. If you work there your best bet is to go work for another company if you don't like it at the Rad.
All their grand plans of SPR, SELDI, and now digital PCR have been failures, capturing little market share.

Many employees will be in for a big shock when (not if) they get acquired.

"It's a typical BioRad

"It's a typical BioRad ritual:
First year most of key people leave
Second year move to Hercules
Third year most of remaining folks be laid off."

Couldn't have said it better myself. I've been there and done that (or, more correctly, had it done to me.)

"All of the best engineers

"All of the best engineers are hitting the road. The ones that stay have been paid-off to stay or fit in with the mediocrity that defines Bio-Rad."

It's a typical BioRad ritual:
First year most of key people leave
Second year move to Hercules
Third year most of remaining folks be laid off. Or got laid such as these SELDI ladies.

How is digital droplet PCR

How is digital droplet PCR instrument selling? Will it be worth the $162 million, or will it be another fiasco like the MJ acquisition?

Whenever Biorad take over a

Whenever Biorad take over a company all the top staff feel they are treated like a beaten country in a war. "Do what we say", "Sell what we tell you to", "sell sell sell and don't worry if things work".

Engineers are no different and the quality staff soon leave or are poached.

You just have to look at the acquisition in Europe of Diamed. People are still leaving in droves over there.

QuantaLife engineers that

QuantaLife engineers that have left so far number 5 of the best. Why did they leave?

All of the best engineers are

All of the best engineers are hitting the road. The ones that stay have been paid-off to stay or fit in with the mediocrity that defines Bio-Rad.

Amy Hidessen.....no longer

Amy Hidessen.....no longer part of QL product development...quit today....moving to start new company

"How are the sales of digital

"How are the sales of digital PCR? They better sell a lot to justify that $140 million spent. Maybe that big spend was the final straw for poor old Dave. After all, he was not in favor of the purchase of QuantaLife.

Is it all buzz and no substance or are people really buying this thing?"

To know if Dave was for or against it, you must be on Bio-Rad's board. Oh wait, you don't know if it is selling or not... so that just makes you an idiot. Come to this post with real information, not claims of being "in the know" that are total crap. Also, I just looked up how much biorad paid for quanta life...you were wrong on that too. Give it another shot..... come on, lets see if you can get it right.

All that said, your last question is interesting (keep it at that next time)..... anyone with info?

How are the sales of digital

How are the sales of digital PCR? They better sell a lot to justify that $140 million spent. Maybe that big spend was the final straw for poor old Dave. After all, he was not in favor of the purchase of QuantaLife.

Is it all buzz and no substance or are people really buying this thing?

whiners try working at Life

whiners

try working at Life or similar. Think it's any better?

'Engineers at QL' Oxymoron.

'Engineers at QL'

Oxymoron. Unless you mean 'sanitation engineers'.

They are now in the Bio-rad

They are now in the Bio-rad "pot" for engineers and will have to take their chances with all the other Bio-rad engineers.

i.e. 25% cut this year.

Engineers at QL= bunch of

Engineers at QL= bunch of snobs

QX100 = SELDI Lite Funny

QX100 = SELDI Lite

Funny analogy

This QL acquisition is Biorad's worst f*ckup since that MJ purchase that resulted in that injunction thanks to ABI. ML laughed all the way to the bank on that one

Who will replace Klint Rose

Who will replace Klint Rose in pleasanton now that he is gone ?

"Being at Biorad for decades

"Being at Biorad for decades with little to no experience outside the company does not count. I think this is one big issue no one talks about. A large proportion of the senior people running the company are lifers who have not worked anywhere else, with no exposure to an outside perspective. You've got executive-level people running the company (LSG) who started out practically working the loading dock back in the day.

This may work at UPS or McDonald's, but at Biorad? Come on."

Agree! BioRad's issue is: owner don't know how to mamange company, so he and his son resort to their culture. Which created an horrible environment: imcompetent management, underpaid workers.

Yes I agree, there is little

Yes I agree, there is little doubt, business wisdom comes with age and experience. If you look at the management of your company, even the first couple of upper levels in of your countries management and they are under 50, they have not been around long enough to be where they are. Under 40 and you really have a problem as their ego gets in the way and the gap between management and staff is removed from management such that those that have the experience get little influence. These young achievers strangle companies with their rash and egotistical ways. Bio-Rad is still learning this.

Being at Biorad for decades with little to no experience outside the company does not count. I think this is one big issue no one talks about. A large proportion of the senior people running the company are lifers who have not worked anywhere else, with no exposure to an outside perspective. You've got executive-level people running the company (LSG) who started out practically working the loading dock back in the day.

This may work at UPS or McDonald's, but at Biorad? Come on.

Yes. They are that

Yes. They are that irrelevant.

Yes I agree, there is little

Yes I agree, there is little doubt, business wisdom comes with age and experience. If you look at the management of your company, even the first couple of upper levels in of your countries management and they are under 50, they have not been around long enough to be where they are. Under 40 and you really have a problem as their ego gets in the way and the gap between management and staff is removed from management such that those that have the experience get little influence. These young achievers strangle companies with their rash and egotistical ways. Bio-Rad is still learning this.

But as I said in an earlier post, if you don't align to their path, find a company that suits you......I did

If you don't agree with the

If you don't agree with the direction of your company, either work hard and move into a position where you have responsibility and the decision making powers that go with them, or find a company to work for who's philosophy aligns with yours.

The post above is correct. Sometimes you can't move into a position to change things and you just need to realize it's time to move somewhere where you can make a difference.
Bio-Rad is no different than any other medium-to-large company. Processes get screwed up and convoluted, and decisions are made by large committees. If you want to move faster, work at a smaller company or a start-up.
I left Bio-Rad precisely because management didn't align with the direction I wanted things to go. That particular management is gone now, and things improved in that part of the organization. It's your choice to move up and make change, wait out incompetent bosses, or get out.
From my conversations with current Bio-Rad employees, it sounds like there are still a lot of incompetents in management.

"Wow. Clearly, you are

"Wow. Clearly, you are clearly an idiot.
Is English your third language??"

Fourth. I think 3 more than you?

Wow. Clearly, you are clearly

Wow. Clearly, you are clearly an idiot.

Is English your third language??

"QX100 = SELDI Lite" Wow.

"QX100 = SELDI Lite"

Wow. Clearly, you are clearly an idiot.

QX100 = SELDI Lite

QX100 = SELDI Lite

"Vultures eat vomit" Business

"Vultures eat vomit"
Business wise, sell off BioRad will perserve assets for the family.
Is Norman trying to keeping his brothers away from controling assets by not selling it off?

The vultures have been

The vultures have been hovering over BioRad for years. Oh great Nostradamus... do tell why Q3 2012 is the magic date? Oh, wait... you must be Mayan. The vultures will be literally hovering over Hercules because the end of the world will be upon us. Is that right?

Great response, couldn't agree more. It's like this site is a magnet to every scorned employee the world over.

Seriously, if you think that you are owed a living, you are not. If you think you are poorly treated, move on. If you don't agree with the direction of your company, either work hard and move into a position where you have responsibility and the decision making powers that go with them, or find a company to work for who's philosophy aligns with yours.

The money you make is because jobs are not fun, they are work. If you are not content with this you have options.......exercise them!

Or we could all just complain about it here and achieve nothing!!!!!!!!

"LSG will be the catalyst for

"LSG will be the catalyst for fragmentation and divestment.... Q3 2012 the vultures will be hovering ..."

The vultures have been hovering over BioRad for years. Oh great Nostradamus... do tell why Q3 2012 is the magic date? Oh, wait... you must be Mayan. The vultures will be literally hovering over Hercules because the end of the world will be upon us. Is that right?

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